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inductive behavior
« on: June 04, 2016, 16:17:31 pm »
hello

TODAY i pulsed my cell with 25% potassium hydroxide at around 14v consuming around 3.5amps at 500khz with a half bridge but connecting the cell to the bridge and ground and not to a midle voltage...

the test was prety interesting and generated a lot of gas but what i concluded is that the cell had a kind of inductive behavior

unfortunately my half bridge burned when i raised the freq  before i saved a waveform but the cell basically being disconnected from the powersupply by the first switch reverts its polarity much like would do an inductor...so the other switch basically take out the charge out from the electrodes and the diode (in parallel with the swicth) kind of perform the continuation of the induced current in the cell... maybe this is the eec meyer refered to

next test would be to get a diode and lamp in parallel to show the lamp lighting from the discharged current from the cell

basicaly adding lamps with diodes in series is possible to see where current is going thru

so again repeating my self the circuit is charging the cell and shorting the electrodes to each other ....

i was able also to gate it and control production...

now i need to get a more powerfull half bridge




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Re: inductive behavior
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2016, 17:50:50 pm »

Meyer says, "We simply feed ordinary none processed water in here..." So can you explain why you are putting KOH in your cell?... have you given up? And another question, what was and/or are the MMW numbers so what you did can be compared to Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method?

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Re: inductive behavior
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2016, 19:37:33 pm »
yes. Inductive or capacitative.
It gives a spike charge back after turning the pulse off.
And it take a bit of time before it is charged up.
Some kind of counter emf....



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Re: inductive behavior
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2016, 22:55:17 pm »
Even on electrolisys  the polarization effect occurs.

Sebosfato, Unlike charges do what?

Thats why you get reverse voltage after disconnect.

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Re: inductive behavior
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2016, 23:51:33 pm »
 well yes xblade but a capacitor should not do this... now an inductor would revert its voltage... maybe thats the point doubling the frequency...

i´m thinking that its having this reversal of voltage more because once the charges are set in motion they will want to keep in motion in the same direction so it reverses the voltage like the inductor...

TGS i´m doing tests... i found that adding this much KOH  generated lot of gas so i´m going with it... its rain water with KOH.. anyway.. with it it dont generate so much heat... meyer said it would work with sea water so maybe adding this koh helps bring this short condition...

the waveform Steve was indeed becoming negative so this mean that there is when the circuit opens a cloud of electrons on the postitive zone and a cloud of positive protons on the negative voltage zone.

i guess this reversal of voltage on the cell can do something....


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Re: inductive behavior
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2016, 00:16:50 am »
Sebosfato, a capacitor (an ideal) does not leak (only the minimum).

KOH is shorting the cell, it will not act as a capacitor, just like a resistance.

TGS is right, if you want to follow Meyer with cell acting as a capacitor you cant add chemicals, or it will "kill" your capacitor charge into a dead-short condition

"amp flow is not permited"

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Re: inductive behavior
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2016, 02:34:35 am »
Yea so forget that Snow water, Seawater or rain water has no adverse effects on the cell...did Stan say that...? Maybe it was his brother....who knows....guess thats why there is so much success because it truly is a capacitor? ??
At least he's not trying to mimic rains acidity....but when he does ...oh boy.

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Re: inductive behavior
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2016, 09:43:01 am »
well yes xblade but a capacitor should not do this... now an inductor would revert its voltage... maybe thats the point doubling the frequency...

i´m thinking that its having this reversal of voltage more because once the charges are set in motion they will want to keep in motion in the same direction so it reverses the voltage like the inductor...

TGS i´m doing tests... i found that adding this much KOH  generated lot of gas so i´m going with it... its rain water with KOH.. anyway.. with it it dont generate so much heat... meyer said it would work with sea water so maybe adding this koh helps bring this short condition...

the waveform Steve was indeed becoming negative so this mean that there is when the circuit opens a cloud of electrons on the postitive zone and a cloud of positive protons on the negative voltage zone.

i guess this reversal of voltage on the cell can do something....

Are you taking actual gas output measurements? for if not then you increase in gas output simply don't exist in the world of science as you have nothing to compare your results to in a measurable manor. You have to get some MMW numbers so you know just how well or poorly you are doing as only then can you actually see just were you stand toward Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method. Failure to take these much needed measurements means you are just monkeying around in my book. You need to know where you stand so you can make informed changes to get to where you want to be with Meyer's technology. And note to use KOH in a cell takes away the water's ability to restrict the flow of amps as it creates a dead short condition far greater than Meyer was dealing with using water out of the tap or even ocean water. That water will have close to zero resistance and in a situation like that current takes over not voltage.

You need to take a step back and stop wanting to make gas and focus on trying to reach the threshold for ionization like Meyer talks about us needing to do in some of his lecture videos. Anyone can get some gas out of these things but you will find that if you add a salt, acid, or base then you are making gases just the same as the typical electrolysis method is doing and if you would actually take the time to take measurements you would be able to verify what I am telling you is the truth. I took measurements of one of my 8xa setups and got a MMW of 3.0. Since then I have been able to improve upon my work but without taking any measurements how would I even know what it was I was doing and how would I be able to start asking the right questions? Stop wanting to just make gas and turn your efforts in reaching 1000 volts or more per resonant cavity like Stanley Meyer says we need to reach in order to get this technology up and working properly. Remember Meyer is using the water as a resistor adding KOH into the water is like taking a resistor out of a circuit and placing in a large gauge copper wire in its place.

Here is someone that is getting better results with an 8xa circuit than I was even getting but he wasn't taking any gas output measurements and eventually gave up on Stanley Meyer's technology altogether.

Now if you need to go back to the basics it's okay as there is no shame in doing so as it is best that you learn this stuff and not resort to monkeying around wasting time and money. Plus the springs you use to make contact with the tubes will not be able to take the amps you are trying to push into the system and will end up getting hot and melting the delrin housing you have them encased in.