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Re: What electrolysis do?
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2016, 23:31:52 pm »
Please dont take my ideas as final i´m just sharing some thoughts i started having because i played with very pure water for a long time and sudenly it didnt seem to be the way to go...

so i looked into horvath patents where he use a nickel electrode and use potassium hydroxide....

the question i started to ask myself was why potassium and not sodium? or other?

the answer i got looking into the periodic table.. potassium is on the left and down so it has a low electronegativity.... its second ionization potential is thereto smaller than sodium for example...

Than drawing the molecules with ions around i recognized that  the ions already stretch the water molecule and actually partial break the bonds.... if forming a hidroxide ion its a water molecule with only one H atom and it even have an extra electron into it... so the covalent bound is already weakened under this conditions...

i´m just sharing that i´m starting to belive that this dissolved ions is the electrode and they react by action of voltage potential.. meaning high voltage fields...



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Re: What electrolysis do?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2016, 10:01:02 am »
Hey Ks i also think that all should try to reply try to add something.. whatever it is. .

i really dont care about having my ideas discussed and even destroyed by arguments it would indeed help me put it away if it dont make sense and focus where should be more important...

i´m here for it,...

Regarding the efficiency of the cell potassium have greater mass than sodium so its a bigger atom.... barium is even heavier than potassium and i have read somewhere it is also a good electrolyte although is a toxic poison...

 

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talking seriously
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2016, 18:15:34 pm »
i believe sometimes that if the water and the gas processor worked in the same circuit that one would be the positive sink for electrons and one the source...

i believe that a negative voltage is directed to the water because fisically this would bring the reaction to be on the cathode... where hydrogen our desired desired product should come from...

in turn this makes the water the sink for electrons in this line of thinking and this electrons must come from a plenty source like a constant flow of air...

so what i mean is that sometimes i think that the vic connects to one cell (isolated) and to the gas processor on the other side... than a choke closes the circuit howerver having a contrary dc voltage applied thru it (choke) the air being pumped out will bring away the positively charged gas and tiheretoo make work doing that.. the result i think would be the water get a very negative charge.... high enough to breakdown..

so like a condenser microphone you need a phanton power to let the electrodes to be charged such that the movent create a detectable signal.. .


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Re: What electrolysis do?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2016, 08:01:12 am »
always talking seriously..

chlorine is more electronegative than oxigen... if we use table salt as electrolyte it will generate h2 and cl2 gas because oxygen forms a hydroxyde....

chlorine is powerful oxidizer....

being more electronegative mean it is a atom with small radius and more protons ... electronigativity is than how much an atom holds electrons to itself... stan said he ionized the ambient gases taking electrons out of it to prevent the formation of water molecule... making it more electronegative than the covalent bound rule... like a ionic much stronger bound... however the temperature and pressure are not favorable for the bound so preventing the formation...

the time a gas will remain ionized is not so long but can get up to maybe 1 second in air...


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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2016, 08:50:01 am »
Another thing that is bugging my mind is that a primary coil when pulsed with unipolar pulse will have current to flow aways in one direction...  if a secondary is coupled to it the current in the secondary will go in two directions...

the point really is that when we pulse coil with a mosfet for example the current in the primary will be unidirectional and the secondary will be bidirectional

if now loading the secondary with cells and another coil it follows that on the load coil the current will want to be unidirectional too

of course the voltage will reverse to maintain the direction of the current in it..

however the secondary will also reverse its voltage....

meyer says he use electromagnetic fields to restric the amps.. .

i sometimes think that he mean the reaction of a secondary to a primary... a lorentz reaction like.

when a secondary has a current flowing into a load its actually creating a magnetic field that destroy the magnetic field of the primary such that the primary is hungry for more amps to create more magnetic field..

when the pulse is turned of the secondary magnetic field revert to try keep the magnetic field of the primary the same .....

the magnetic field of the primary is aways unipolar in this view but the secondary have a bipolar nature.. we can say that because actually current go both ways.

so whats the big deal..


meyer show a circuit where he use two chokes...

when we get two coils they can be or not coupled together  if coupled it can be summing or subtracting fields..

another thing that exist is a choke that have a secondary of low voltage with a diode in it ...

i was thinking about if we have a shorted secondary if it will increase or decrease the magnetic forces within the coil..

you see what i mean? maybe a coil wound on copper pipes or steal pipes... because it would create this second magnetic field to interact with the first... and if this portion is of low resistance it will not consume much power but would create high magnetic oposition and helposition..

adding a diode would add dissipation but some control over the colapse

my real question is if we add a diode where the energy of the secondary magnetic field goes?

shoud not it create a superimposed pulse over the "primary" also colapsing pulse? certainly maybe? a double pulse?



in the end i think the whole objective is to be able to pulse this thing and kind of be able to acumulate on the coil enough energy to be able to keep its current flowing in the same direction surpassing the volatge potential of the secondary,,,



if both the chokes are coupled we run in a situation where if the add we simply get voltage divider..

but if they subtract is just as if one coil act as the load for the each other coil.. not sure if its the case.

i think the key is that each choke have its own load ...




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Re: What electrolysis do?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2016, 17:38:34 pm »
Nobody seem to have noticed the pdf in attachment.. .it talks about meyer missing a presentation...

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Re: What electrolysis do?
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2016, 09:08:07 am »
just thought a simple way to determine what would happen.. simply get a primary and secondary,,,,pulse it... look the primary voltage on oscilloscope than short the secondary .. than short thru a diode than revert the diode and analyse what happen to the primary collapse voltage. .

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Re: What electrolysis do?
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2016, 02:25:31 am »
I aways watch again and again and again the newzealand meeting

after doing some tests today i thought about the claims of amp restriction that meyer made...

basically he claimed thru his words that the electrical polarization process could be achieved by a resistance at the expense of pretty much power... saying that using a coil it restrict the amps...

i believe the amp restriction process is dependent on restricting  the amps to allow the voltage fields to be applied to the water... this fieds must be arranged in a certain way that the sequence of voltage pulses can do the work in spliting the molecules...