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Anyone knows about Tad Johnson replication?
« on: February 22, 2016, 20:23:42 pm »
There is a guy named Tad Johnson that is quoted in some PDF arround the internet that claimed to produce 3.3lpm with 1200v @ 1ma (1,2w).
Anyone knows anything about it?

Is it true or false?

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Re: Anyone knows about Tad Johnson replication?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2016, 20:25:33 pm »
From the pdf document:

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Tad Johnson
.  Tad has managed to replicate Stan Meyer’s Water Fuel System fully.  He says: “In 1996 I was an
amateur electronics hobbyist.   I had been interested in elec
trolysis and hydrogen study for many years prior to
that, but that year I was watching the sci.hydrogen
news group to become more educated on hydrogen in general.
During that year I met John, a man who was good friends wi
th Stanley Meyer, and who regularly went to visit him
in Ohio.   John lived here in California, and he had also in
vested some money in the Water Fuel cell project of
Meyers'.  I became friends with John and became more in
terested in the Stanley Meyer system.   As I became
more adept at electronic design and troubleshooting I began to
want to try to duplicate the Stanley Meyer process
of breaking water with high voltage and resonance.
During that year and a couple of following years, I
was able to ask John questions which he would then ask
Stanley, and feed the answer back to me.  You see, Stan wa
s not willing to talk to just anyone about the process
let alone give away any secrets of t
he process that were not already ment
ioned in the patents.  So I had to ask
these questions through John who was good friends with Stanley.
My first few circuits worked but the cell would not
make any hydrogen, especially
 under the conditions that
Stanley and his patents said they woul
d.  The problem is that I would tune the cell like he said and yet no gas
would be produced.  It took three years of tinkering to
finally figure out what I was doing wrong, and it was a big
blunder. The answer to what I was doing wrong came to me through the sci.hydrogen group from a man who lived
in Sweden and who had already duplicated the Meyer ex
periments based on his patents.  His name is Ted
Zettergren, an inventor who helped other
 inventors file patents and market pr
oducts.  He posted exactly what he
did and how the system worked.  To my knowledge he wa
s the first of only three people who duplicated the Meyer
experiments successfully.
After Stan was killed I had no information other than Ted's
to go by, but that was all I, or anyone else, needs to
duplicate the Meyers' process.  The proc
ess is achieved by using the following:
1. 
A pulsing circuit or power supply capable of producing 600+
 Volts at 20 kHz at 100 microamps or more.  My
system was a simple, off-the-shelf, inverter with an i
nput of 12 volts DC and an output
of 1,200 volts AC at 20 kHz
at 1mA.  I then took this circuit and modified it to run at
42.5 – 43.0 kHz.  This was an off-the-shelf inverter sold by
Fry’s electronics.  It is a neon power supply with a very sm
all bobbin core transformer.  Anyone can buy this circuit
or one just like it and modify it to run within these s
pecs.  The hard part is obtaining resonance which takes years
of electronics expertise to do. 
2. 
A small electrolysis cell with the abilit
y to vary distance between conductors. 
3. 
Two chokes, one adjustable and one fixed. 
4. 
One high voltage diode to go in-line with the cathode of the power supply output. 
5. 
An Inductance Meter, a Capacitance Meter, a
Frequency Counter/Oscilloscope, and High Voltage Probe. 
The key to the Meyer process is resonance, and without
 resonance the system produces no gas.  At an input
power of just 1.2 watts you can see why no gas will
be produced without resonance.  This is a standard LC
(inductor/capacitor) resonant circuit in which you
MUST
 (!) match Capacitive Reactance with Inductive Reactance.  This then creates an LC resonant circuit in which the two legs of the power supply
match exactly in frequency.  Radio Amateur experience makes the
calculation of resonance easy once you know the capacitance of the cell
and the frequency you are driving it at.  Once you have your inductance calculated you then buy the proper
chokes that fall within the inductance range needed.  The adjustable one needs (obviously) to be tuneable within
a small range, so that when the cell temperature changes and causes the capacitance of the cell to change, then
the inductance can also be changed to keep the cell in resonance.  If your cell has the ability to vary distance between the electrodes, then you simply
 change that distance which changes the capacitance of the cell rather than changing the inductance.  You must vary one or the other though. 
 I have found since then, that the
capacitance of the cell can be changed and works just as well as the inductors being adjusted.  You don't use
ANY electrolyte, you don't want ANY amperage at all, you want to use only Voltage and Resonance. 
REPEAT,
YOU DON'T NEED ANY CURRENT FLOW, ONLY VOLTAGE!
What I found frustrating is that the cell temperature would change and the system would stop making gas.  In order to keep the system making gas
you constantly have to keep the cell in resonance, and thus you really need the system to be controlled by a
processor, that constantly checks frequency on both legs and then adjusts 10 - 29
inductance to keep the cell in resonance. This is why Stanley moved to the other
patents where the spark plug type of electrolysis chamber was used instead of a large cell. 
Also, with the cell running at 1,200 Volts at 1mA and 42.8 kHz I found that I could make 200 lph (3.33 lpm) of gas.
Do the math and you will find that this is impossible given our current understanding of electrolysis.  If you scale
that up in a linear fashion, you will find that you can make over 20,000 lph (333 lpm) of gas with just 120 Watts of
input power.  This is easily enough to run almost any Internal Combustion engine.  The only problem is keeping the cell in tune. 
An alternator can easily produce 3,000 watts of power, so this is easily enough to power the car on this system
alone.  This is how Stanley’s Volkswagen Buggy was running around on water only.  The car has to wait a minute
or two before he stored enough gas to run the car, then once it was started and running it would make enough
gas to run the car at up to 60 mph.  I personally, never saw this car run, but I have two people that went to two
showings and both said it worked and they verified there was no gasoline on board. 
Three years ago, I sent this experimental data to Stefan and others and never heard
back from anyone, nor did anyone ever repeat my experiment.  To this date, I know of only Ted, Me, and one other person who has
duplicated this experiment and done so successfully.  The third person is a PHD on the east coast of the U.S. who is in contact with Stanley's widow. 
Stanley's brother now takes care of all water fuel cell business and claims he will start it up again and make sure it makes it to market
this time.  But I have not heard from them in years now.
Stefan easily has the electronics experience to duplicate this process and also solve the issue of keeping the cell in resonance. I probably do as well at this point but I am
 not going to do it alone.  It takes a lot of electronics expertise and hard work to solve this problem of cell tuning.”

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Re: Anyone knows about Tad Johnson replication?
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Re: Anyone knows about Tad Johnson replication?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2016, 00:20:48 am »
There is a guy named Tad Johnson that is quoted in some PDF arround the internet that claimed to produce 3.3lpm with 1200v @ 1ma (1,2w).
Anyone knows anything about it?

Is it true or false?

Believe it or not, but Tad is / was a member here. He moved on to other stuff.
He told me that he was able to replicate the Meyer system with his cell. He used a capacitor in parallel with the cell for more rresonant stability. But is was very difficult to tune.
Just search on this forum. I think you can find some stuff and discussions with him.

Steve

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Re: Anyone knows about Tad Johnson replication?
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Re: Anyone knows about Tad Johnson replication?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2016, 00:45:49 am »
Thank you steve!

Any videos was made of?

Resonant condition stabilization can be solved if the VIC pll circuit is well understood...

I will check it.

Thank you for the link.