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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2016, 03:15:22 am »
i found something about negative resonance freq is that what you mean?

maybe in my country the research dont display the same though..

thanks for the input =)

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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2016, 03:26:39 am »
today i had the cleaver idea of thinking how to calculate a coil that has the same energy stored into it that a leak capacitor connected to it... i was remembering the conservation of charge and how it goes with momentum and energy when dealing with tork

basically the leakage current is the energy in the coil and the capacitor is charged because there is voltage across it...

basically i ended with L=(V^2*C)/(I^2)

the voltage at the cell is the voltage applied less the voltage drop on the resistance of the coil as they are in series..
so capacitor resistance thells the current at the coil
for example if the coil could dump its energy to the capacitor the voltage would increase how much? twice...

well if we simply wanted the capacitor to discharge to zero volts than we would need a coil with a such value that in parallel with the capacitor its leakage current is equal to the energy at the voltage applied to thecapacitor..

but hey meyers said he would double thefrequency keeping the capacitor charged,,

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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2016, 03:43:33 am »
Is this picture a good representation of the step charge?The capacitor is step charging beyond the applied voltage..you can see the voltage starting at 25v then ending at 147v between pulses.

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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2016, 04:54:05 am »
Hey Seb, just went thru a lot of old papers and came across WO 00/25320 ....its Eccles energy generation patent.... I think you may have mentioned  him before....I have it in my printed research pile so I guess I thought it was important.

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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2016, 07:54:51 am »
Eccles have some interesting claims so i decided to check that too... i have tried it once in 2011 but i reassembled its pulsing circuit and the fracture cell i wanted to see if i find at least some point where water heats i dont know.. of course we aways hope it would work but is not easy, all this years teached me that..

so every time i do something i try to understand what is going on before and after testing..

simulation is a good way to know what is going electricaly but simulation is never going to give any gas... remember that... sim and test not only sim...

i frequenly simulate ideas before building..

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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2016, 08:11:21 am »
Eccles have some interesting claims so i decided to check that too... i have tried it once in 2011 but i reassembled its pulsing circuit and the fracture cell i wanted to see if i find at least some point where water heats i dont know.. of course we aways hope it would work but is not easy, all this years teached me that..

so every time i do something i try to understand what is going on before and after testing..

simulation is a good way to know what is going electricaly but simulation is never going to give any gas... remember that... sim and test not only sim...

i frequenly simulate ideas before building..
yea...ive made several tests myself.... one interesting test about field alignment was a 60 or 61 flat plate cell....they were separated with plexiglass in blocks of 7 cells with power connections at each block...what was interesting was looking in from the top and actually seeing how the ion movement was effected with different power connections and how connected correctly the the fields passed thru the plexiglass not effecting the unidirectional movement of the ions...that's an interesting test...rain water of course is a neat test being lower on the PH
Flat plate cells were also hard to get current to pass with a saturated electrolyte solution until the plates were conditioned it had its own amp inhibitor...lucky to get 5 amps into them until conditioned....lots of tests with those and im still very skeptical being able to out produce them but I am hopefulll to say the least.

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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2016, 08:35:41 am »
the point of high conductivity is not exactly related to the mAximum amount of electrolyte... as it pass above the sweetspot it will increase the resistivity of the solution...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wien_effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debye_length

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debye%E2%80%93Falkenhagen_effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_layer_forces
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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2016, 09:25:02 am »
yea there is a point of having a saturated solution...something about equilibrium if I remember right.I think a good study may just be how a saturated solution of KOH and specifically how Bob Boyce's cells out performs everything as of date.Ill read this stack of papers of our conversations from back then and see if he explained that part of it to me in any detail.