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SCR nano pulse
« on: January 26, 2016, 06:42:39 am »
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Re: SCR nano pulse
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2016, 07:28:14 am »
the main problem with this circuit is the peak power dissipation on the scr

the r1 also will get some hot...

the pulse limits depends on the size of the coil and the peak ratings of the scr...

The sith is only a device that wont need the R1 to turn on...makes things easier...

anyway is a good idea to use many scrs in series to get the highvoltage and peak power ratings... but this need another aproach for trigering...

here its transforming 30v 300ma to 11kv on the primary side.. so a 1 to 5 ratio would certainly give 55kv output

i´m talking about horvaths claims and this patent on the attachment..

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Re: SCR nano pulse
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2016, 06:06:21 am »
R1  ?

by using a fly back transformer , winding ratio goes out the window .              the HV depends on stored energy discharged .
the mosfet and SCR need big heat sinks anyway , they get hot .
Patent  says 1st semiconductor = SI transistor or SI thyristor or GTO ......
2nd semiconductor = MOSFET

patent assignee : NGK ltd , nagoya (JP) , they have dropped money , time and resources on this device

I wonder if diode 36 could be a different trigger device used
the patent drawings dont give anything away , they are very basic representation

 

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Re: SCR nano pulse
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2016, 08:07:54 am »
In the patent i think i read they say that common scr could be used too... this first post is a simulation on falstad simulator showing how a common scr could be used for such operation...

the r1 is used to allow the scr to triger automatically when pulse on like a static induction tyristor would do...

i think that making a multilayer pulse transformer with a layer for trigering each tyristor may be  the best way to go for it.. (having many in series like sugested in the patent) 

this way the capacitance between the windings will be balanced.. so we can put many scrs in series... each with some tvs in parallel with it to make it have a limit of voltage so it dont blow.


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mosfet nano pulse
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2016, 13:50:41 pm »
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As can be see here it can be done with mosfets too.. but is harder and takes tvs´s too... here the load resistor become R1 and it is what commands the gate too....


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Re: SCR nano pulse look the load
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2016, 14:50:38 pm »
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Could anyone help me buy some high voltage thyristors
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2018, 15:20:52 pm »
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Re: SCR nano pulse
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2018, 15:25:19 pm »
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higher current sim (the transistors in the simulation wont let much current flow)