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The giant
« on: January 12, 2016, 16:37:34 pm »
I made a coil that weights 3,150kg comprising of 2 chokes 1 primary and 1 secondary wound in this order but the chokes wound interleaving the layers that had 111turns each summing 5 layers for each choke... total of 1110 turns... the secondary was wound in 3 layers with 29awg 370 turns per layer over the primary... the primary had 18AWG so as the chokes but only had 18 turns 1 layer

all odd number of layers... and  only secondary wound in opposite direction... the secondary can be rotated if i want,,,

everything has an insulation between to let this coil go to 40kv without problems,...

What i concluded is that when testing the coils independently their voltages are what i wanted it to be but as the chokes are in connected to each other they become like a load and the magnetic field it creates kind of capture the magnetic field of the primary leaving less to go the secondary or just at a different time thats why a different wave form appear.... dropping the voltage on the secondary and making the voltage of the chokes higher than the secondary...

My conclusion is that the primary must be wound over the secondary and chokes... i´m in the process of finding more wire and better insulation for doing that...

also the waveform was some different among the chokes and secondary... thats because probably on the difference of chokes and secondary winding style and probably the length or mass of wire too...

the chokes had 136m 111 turns in 5 layers each forming a 10 layer of 18awg forming 1110turns

the secondary had around 380m 370 turns per layer giving 1110 turns  (i wound some 20 turns more to have a wiper arm)

The results are pulsing with 10v rms square wave from a half bridge gives 300 v per choke and 640v at secondary with some small difference in the waveforms

when the chokes are put in series their voltage become like 680v and the secondary drops a few the wave forms change a lot

when connecting to the cell with 3ppm water there is few bubbles.. Rain water and of course using the diode...

so far it seems my chokes are just not charging much..

there is gas but i guess is generated by the charged capacitance of the chokes.. during the collapse... i think maybe i just need more turns on the secondary.. but there is not much space left for it... this is because i did a double insulation of the primary since its in the middle of the coils... if i get the primary only over all there will be less need for one insulation step... some millimeters come out of it... i have only 5mm left of window...


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Re: The giant
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2016, 18:40:54 pm »
When i gate it it get very interesting waveforms are coming...


When the pulse become over 2,5khz a 20us pulse apear during pulse on.. this pulse is fixed length

adding a resistor in series with the cell seems possible to keep a charge on water..

i only connected with the chokes subtracting for now...

the resistor across the primary does not heat at all ... theres a ramp during pulse off at the collector of the igbt achieves 120vpeak

im inputing more than 100 watts and no heat apear anywhere is very strange...

i´m thinking to increase this resistance to increase the collapse or also even take it out...


the impedance of the transformer at 16khz is 3ohm meaning if i put 12v pulsing i get 4 amps rms this mean the peak may be bigger i need to verify that so i can account for it

during pulse on a positive pulse appear between the chokes and it discharge or revert during pulse off but when the pulse on comes a higher voltage pulse appear fixed length 20us..

i will try to make scope shots and post in a ordered way so i can keep track of my results here... if you want to look and comment or ask something be my guest!

i´m in the process of trying to buy some nomex for the next coils but it costs 1kg minimum order 500 Reais that is approximately 150$ i will also need some more copper and diodes so if you are by any chance willing to help me with any kind of help send me a pm and i will indicate a donation link... thanks a lot...





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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2016, 16:20:13 pm »
here some waveforms

the pulsing condition were 14v 1amp 14ohms measured impedance @ 5khz

Pulsing the positive into the dot into the primary and diode coming out of the dot on secondary and going into the dot of choke one with its arrow... the other choke also is oposing field with secondary..

you see in all images a ref image showing the frequency in black bellow the other waveforms

this is the frequency that is going to the triger from external input from pll, i added the ref image for you to have an idea where the pulse really is

so

this is the waveform of Choke 2 in channel 2 blue... took with a diferential probe with 2000:1 ratio

in yellow in channel 1 you see the voltage of the cell in reference to ground an isolated electrode is connected to a 2000:1 probe... (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14473)


in yellow in channel 1 you see the voltage of the cell in reference to ground an isolated electrode is connected to a 2000:1 probe...
this is the wave form of the secondary(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14475)

Guess who is this wave form? Choke 1 same as the Choke 2... (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14477)

this is the current  in channel one from a 0,005ohm resistor that connects the ground to the igbt emmiter...
allong with the diode signal in channel 2  (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14485)

here is the potential at channel 1 and diode signal at channel 2 big picture...(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14489)

here pushing up to 26v 2amps (labview measurement) (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14487)
« Last Edit: January 14, 2016, 17:32:55 pm by sebosfato »

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Re: The giant
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2016, 18:35:02 pm »
I'm inputting 5V to 10V with about 0.02mA on the primary, maybe less.  On my sperm wave image from last year I was seeing spikes of 2kV.  Turns ratio 1:5 aprox.


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Re: The giant
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2016, 20:40:58 pm »
well in my case the proprieties are lot different... there is a lot of copper ... this fact together with the primary being far from the core makes the current in my case be bigger than your anyway...

you probably had a small core with thinner wire...

i´m dont really care so far about amps going into... the important is what is going on and how.

the priimary has 18 turns 18awg on 4 inch diameter (the chokes are inside)

at around lower than 2khz there is the point of lower amps being consumed... 

i will post after i receive some more comments the waveform across the cell and across the primary and also the voltage between the secondary and the point after the diode between it and choke 1



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Re: The giant
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2016, 23:17:01 pm »
Fabio.  There is a guy who says he's got this working.  He's given all the information needed to make it work.  I'm not sure why you're not listening.

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Re: The giant
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2016, 23:53:48 pm »
Fabio.  There is a guy who says he's got this working.  He's given all the information needed to make it work.  I'm not sure why you're not listening.

i never saw anyone show his device working... i saw some info but not close to be complete...

i´m doing the hard way because i cannot stay here sit while anyone holds this technology for theirself..

wish i could get his help even if he dont want to show his device... but i dont have any shame to say who got it first or anything... i´m just here trying to make it work with my knowledge and the equipments i was able to put together...

and i´m sure that with your help guys we can do it...

this first image is the voltage across the output of my vic... in this first image the cell is connected one lead per 5 cell in serie... there is two series of cells in the same cavity of course..but the series are not connected to each other like you will see in the video upcomming(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14497)

what you see here in this waveform is the following

as the pulseformingcapacitance discharge to the cell it chargesup reverselly so when i hit the pulse on the high amp spike also clearly tell me that this reversed charged capacitance is being charged at very start of each pulse on... is clear from the wave form....

actually i done simuations of this in the past and discussed here in the forum this same diagrams...
 
so it seems another diode is needed to impeed this discharge of the cell... or at least change the position of the diode..

on the second image you have 5 cells connected in series..this increase the amps to 1,3amps and reduce the voltage to 12,5v changing the impedance. as is a different load.. this change the wave form on all the circuit i include a primary image for the both cases bellow,(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14499;image)


primary two unconnected series of cells (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14501;image)

here is one lead only connected to the cell the other left open... the yellow line makes obvious which  is the only output of the vic go to the cell (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14503;image)

and here only the output of choke one connected to the cell as on the last shot the other lead is only connected to the differential probe(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14505;image)

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Re: The giant
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2016, 15:15:45 pm »
Thats a shame i post all this stuf and dont get comments.... (thanks timeshell for sharing your point of view )

no magic here just hard work..

(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2993.0;attach=14451;image)

when pulsing at 250khz i could find a waveform very interesting to come out magically is the relaxation frequency or a close multiple of it for the purity of my water... but i guess is not the cause of  the interesting effect. what i see is the primary having a 13uh being discharged into the 220ohm resistor forming a something around 8 to 10Mhz overtone at switching off at high frequencies..

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