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ELECTROLYSIS WITH MAGNETS
« on: August 13, 2015, 03:49:49 am »
I did a site search and  theres nothing on Felix Erenhaft and his experiments with magnets and electrolysis
its worth mentioning and having on the site just for reference

interesting the connection / parallel he makes with magnetism and electricity polarities  , if anything it confirms edward leedskalnin theories

http://www.electricitybook.com/magnetism/

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Re: ELECTROLYSIS WITH MAGNETS
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2015, 18:04:13 pm »
I did a site search and  theres nothing on Felix Erenhaft and his experiments with magnets and electrolysis
its worth mentioning and having on the site just for reference

interesting the connection / parallel he makes with magnetism and electricity polarities  , if anything it confirms edward leedskalnin theories

http://www.electricitybook.com/magnetism/

Hi MAssive,

I did some tests with this.
I have seen the hydrogen atoms streaming at top speed, when i added the magnetic fields.
However, i still needed plain electrolysis to split the watermolecules.

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2015, 06:32:26 am »

the water molecule is said to be a dipole  , but a magnetic field is also 90 degrees to the electric field OR that dipole.

electrolysis is using current so can only be utilising the electric component of the polarised water molecule

In MW oven , those rotating molecules have an axis , which is 90 degrees to the rotation >>

"electric dipoles, meaning that they have a partial positive charge at one end and a partial negative charge at the other, and therefore rotate as they try to align themselves with the alternating electric field of the microwaves. Rotating molecules hit other molecules and put them into motion, thus dispersing energy. This energy, when dispersed as molecular vibration in solids and liquids (i.e. as both potential energy and kinetic energy of atoms), is heat. Sometimes, microwave heating is explained as a resonance of water molecules, but this is incorrect;[20] such resonances occur only at above 1 terahertz (THz).[21]"

taken from the wiki >      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2015, 18:34:28 pm »
Water's molecular resonance is above one terahertz, but it also has a dielectric resonance, in the gigahertz.  Technicians measure this by placing a water filled cavity in one side of a wave guide, then measuring the difference in the attenuation.

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Re: ELECTROLYSIS WITH MAGNETS
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2015, 19:50:52 pm »
Water's molecular resonance is above one terahertz, but it also has a dielectric resonance, in the gigahertz.  Technicians measure this by placing a water filled cavity in one side of a wave guide, then measuring the difference in the attenuation.

you are correct more specifically water vibrational modes are in the terahertz infrared..

the rotational mode is gigahertz... little above microwaves.. microwaves are detuned from water frequency by the way, just to get deeper into the food and heat it more inside otherwise would only burn outside...

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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2015, 00:03:42 am »
science has an idealised model of what the water molecule looks like , one moment its a hive of activity around the nucleus , then again its a structured dipole with 104.5 degree angle

typical example =   http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/water_molecule.html

from experiments with coils , electric field and magnetic fields are 90 degrees to each other . if the microwave oven is using AC and the molecule is rotating to align with the field , the molecule is either rotating around an axis or centre of gravity or even if its rocking back + forth , its still has an axis

in electrolysis theres a polarised field , if the idealised molecule is polarised , how can it have spin ?  that brings back the vortex model of the atom of lord Kelvin
and then again if we set up an electric field to separate H and O , we havent been utilising the magnet pole of the molecule/atoms and thats only assuming magnetic poles because of established experiments where electric field and magnetic field are always 90 degrees to each other

if there is naturally a partial positive charge at one end and a partial negative charge at the other , wouldnt there be a partial north some where and a partial south some where else


"electric dipoles, meaning that they have a partial positive charge at one end and a partial negative charge at the other, and therefore rotate as they try to align themselves with the alternating electric field of the microwaves"

taken from the wiki >      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven

no ones ever seen an atom or a molecule so the idealised model is still on the drawing board

Erenhaft was onto something

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Re: ELECTROLYSIS WITH MAGNETS
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2015, 05:08:27 am »
water covalent electrons spins cancel out so water has no magnetic dipole..

if you have an electric and magnetic fields crossing you get a force... if you apply a force and you get a magnetic field you get an electric field and vice versa...

for example if we force water thru the cell while applying an electric field you create a magnetic field in the gap circumference... if you get a coil wound from inside of the in tube forming a toroid than the signal could be pickup... 

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Re: ELECTROLYSIS WITH MAGNETS
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2015, 18:16:20 pm »
Patent #4,599,158 shows a very simple approach which uses a coil around the chamber, with no connections to the plates.  It's very easy to make the magnetic field rotate, with this setup.  The system does require electrolyte.  And there is brief mention of Horvath.