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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2015, 03:26:45 am »
When it come to pulsing i have my doubts that goes with the way stan did...

i did my way from the start and aways had found a maner to create extremely high voltages...

but when it gets to a mistery circuit that can do such things as i´m proposing i´m enough man to say i could be wrong from start... or maybe not... doubt yourself is a sign of strongness not weakness..

to insist is possible but not blindly..

i have thought of something that seems prety key in the process, this was only understood by me because i had to went to the physics university and stay thinking over it for 9 years... haha

the idea is as it were back when i publish it maybe in the 2008... when i was totaly newbie... i called it the infinity circuit back than since it was a closed loop where i wanted the fields to create the current flow when pulsed in a sequential manner..

back than i was terrible with math and all so now i realize this is the same idea i had in 2008
but as you see if you have one  idea it means nothing unless you are sure of it, or if you want to see if your idea is right or not. You must be prepared to fail so no bad time start over otherwise most likely one would be demotivated to keep work..

thats why is better to think we know nothing so we can still absorb info like a sponge like when we were just learning all about it fresh...





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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #73 on: December 18, 2015, 13:07:24 pm »
http://www.physics.umd.edu/courses/Phys122/Streets/21_Electrical_potential.pdf

This is a good info about what is required to know. Is some sumary of what is learned in physics 3 coarse.. regarding electrostatics..

Basically my idea of the cell as a generator has the  only problem that the ions potential must be observed if we want them to discharge them somehow..

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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #74 on: December 18, 2015, 20:19:10 pm »

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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #75 on: December 18, 2015, 22:47:05 pm »
Hey Seb,looking forward to reading that info...have you heard or studied the pinch effect ?

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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #76 on: December 19, 2015, 15:32:56 pm »
Hello Newguy

the pinch effect is exploited in the fusion reactors that is being build since many years... in my university there is one tokamak being build since 20years ago and it should be ready by 2030 

The idea is that the voltage discharge is so much that it creates a magnetic field that compress the flowing charges allowing them to hit each other at high rates...

in the tokamak the effect is caused by a toroidal coil that creates this magnetic field for the confinement of the fusion reaction inside the torus and not touching walls..

i having a hard time trying to find how to make its work (my idea now))

it follows that the cell has around 1nf but from it to ground it may have few pf

when we charge one plate to the same potential of the other the potential between the two is 0 so as the electric field... depending on geometry some thing can become different lets consider concentric spheres as is easier to understand...

The electric field inside a conductor is normaly 0 since the charges aways want to go to the surface so if we get one electrode inside the other there is a sobreposition so the potentials sum or subtracts... for example i charge the two electrodes with oposite charges there is 0 electric field outside the capacitor... and in the middle of it you get a 0v ref right in the middle of it...

now if i charge only one electrode in reference to ground its much harder to put charge into that plate since very small capacitance a high voltage is needed to get a equivalent charge like we had in the first example

so if i charge for example the outer electrode to 50kv the potential inside the cell is 50kv anywhere since if i touched the inner electrode to ground a current would flow... but the electric field is 0 untill ground is touched to it,., or get close to it!

My quest is to use the voltage as meyer described to try find how he achieved his claims...

in my opinion understanding how the cell could have worked would easy the process of making it work...

From meyer claims the cell with the vic forms a self sustained oscillation system. being the cell the source of the electricity... so the problems are... we have a force that atracts and repelles oposite charges in the system... thereto it would be necessary to find how to use this force

if we go by analogy the wind make the eolic generator to turn the forces add up to create the torque...

the forces in my idea are attracting the negative charges and setting it at a highpotential zone and at the same time its repelling the positive charges and seting them to a lower potential...

a current flows from the positive to the negative potential so the problem being the positive charges are in a situation where they need a negative charge at a lower potential than where it is to be able to discharge with it... flow..

to use voltage and make it perform work without being consumed the direction of the current it induces must be perpendicular to the field... such that the force is used without being consumed... i think if it its perpendicular it could be either to the left or right for ex ....  so work is done because there is a force being applied in a system of charges but voltage is not consumed since the charges are bound in another system of charges...

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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #77 on: December 19, 2015, 17:22:06 pm »
The is a patent called energy generation aparatus where they have pbn ceramic coated electrodes where hv is applied... in the patent they say there is accumulationof charges on the ceramic electrodes so the ceramic is ultimately coated with graphite to form a conductive layer or deionization layer over the ceramic... to provide or take electrons from ions in the water... in this patent they provide a such structrure where they could short the two conductive layers to each other without killing the electric field to again reduce the screening of the electric field ... that would allow the ions to be discharged and thereto gas generated...  in my opinion it could be just a coil since it would allow dc but impeed ac to flow... so pulses can develop the voltage across the system as pulse terminates the coil allow the current to flow...

said structure is part of a citation from yet another patent where its a kind of shilded switch...

they kind of say in the  patent that this shield allow to connect one surface to the other without the electric fields going there...

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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #78 on: December 19, 2015, 18:39:27 pm »
Is it possible to configure a situation to charge the electrodes with an 11 volt potential difference with those high voltages? I wander if a  (example)solid -1000 volts on 1 electrode with a variable + on the othèr would have any effect...just a thought...im sure  your studdies will no doubt lead you to your finish line...with Stans i believe he chose the geometry of the cells for a reason...i still believe there is some common denominator to Stans and Andersons (making gas really fast)
Stans brother mentioned putting the brakes on the electrons ....the tubes ...speeding electrons up and putting the brakes on would be included in my studies with his stuff...self sustaining discharge hasnt been in my studies with Anderson's stuff either. ..id bet your ideas from your studdies will come together soon  8)

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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #79 on: December 19, 2015, 20:11:02 pm »
I dont know much about anderson...

this is the patent i was talking about
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US20100126846.pdf