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Vic, the end of a myth
« on: May 01, 2008, 21:32:56 pm »
Hi,

Today, i am going to make a lot of people unhappy. This because of my next statement.
The VIC is just a fancy transformer.
Why?
After having seen Stanley explaining that he was surprised to get a patent on that thing and after watching the New Zealand lection of Mr.Meyer.
In that lection he explains that if you want more gas, you just have to add more wraps to your chokes. If Stan was a wizard it maybe would work, but in real life the following thing would happen. He says that the VIC and his wfc are a resonance tank circuit. That means that the combi of tubes as capacitor and the chokes as coils would resonate at a specific frequency.
When you add wraps to yr chokes, the only thing that changes is the resonance frequency.
That sounds normal, is it not? It never will produce more gas that way.
So how about adding more wraps to a trafo in combi with a wfc?
I can tell you that after all the hours of observing and testing that it is all clear to me.
The wfc has a dynamic character if you look at the combi of volts vs amps vs resistance.
If you put 5V to your wfc, it will pull, lets say 2 amps.
When you add wraps to your trafo,s secondairy coil, you would get example 12V. The wfc reacts by pulling 5 amps! More amps mean more gas.

So Stan was right in his lection and the VIC is just a fancy trafo with 3 secondairy coils in serie............................................ ...............

Of course are these comments my simple 2 cents on this matter.

br
steve




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Re: Vic, the end of a myth
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2008, 18:18:17 pm »
stevie1001 - i agree with you (that the VIC is a modified transformer).  I am new to the forum, and have been in researching mode for about 3 months now.  My theories are these:

1. the VIC is a modified "flyback (LOPT) transformer" - like those found in old B&W televisions
    1a. the modification being the chokes
2. the key to high gas production is resonance of an LRC circuit (the WFC being the capacitor and the FBT being the inductor).

My research and circuit modelling has been 100% dedicated to reproducing the following S.Meyer electronics:
1. The VIC
2. The PLL (phase locked loop)
3. The "resonance scanning circuit"
However, i am not doing this with a cell; this is pure modelling and trying to understand.  I am endeavoring to have complete working replicas of these circuits before attempting any water fracturing/electrolysis.  This may seem asinine to some, but it makes sense to me...


I currently have a working PLL circuit which will lock phase between 85Hz and 1040Hz.  This is way too low for use in a WFC, so I am currently working to expand the range since in a WFC we'll need something which can go to ~20-50KHz (and a FBT has a much more narrow freq range - unlike regular transformers).  ...I can put together a schmatic of my PLL and post if anyone is interested, but its usable freq range is limited.  Its basically a phase comparator, an op-amp, a voltage control oscillator (VCO), 4 resistors, and two capacitors.

Stan's "resonance scanning circuit" is my main focus - but i've had (very) limited sucess.  It's basically an AC sweep and a circuit which calculates the resonant freq of any LRC circuit where the capacitance of C is an unknown quantity.  Once the res freq is "found" it would then feed that back to the PLL which is connected to the VIC (aka FBT) primary winding.  Right now i am using fixed capacitor quanities in dedicated LRCs to test my RSCs on (not a WFC).

I have not done much to date with the VIC (beyond beliving it is a modified flyback transformer) and as such have begun to collect and dismantle old B&W television sets (when i come across them).

I believe the (left-side) schematic of the VIC in Stan's International Patent (I'm referring to the PCT World Intellectual Property Organization [WO 92/07861] document) looked (to me) strangely identical to a schematic of a flyback (LOPT) transformer I came across at:  http://www.powerlabs.org/flybackdriver.htm

Then simply doing a goolge search for "flyback transformer", i got these links:
http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/flytest.htm#flywda
http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/flytest.htm#flyhft

...some very interesting qualities in a FBT...

I remembered Stan lecturing (1st
lecture video on:  http://www.waterfuelcell.org/index.html) on how the VIC worked, and he was talking about how industry has known for years that Voltage (not Amperage) can be made to do work.  He then cited CRTs and a particle accelerator.  So i said "hmmm".  Take a flyback transformer and then add some chokes to it...  the pickup winding on the flyback is connected to the PLL...?  Since a FBT "self-resonates", are we looking for the resonance of the WFC, or the VIC?!...  TBD...

In any event, sorry for being a "loiterer".  I was just researching - there is a lot of "misleading and/or junk" out there.  As i said, i have not actually built a cell yet; so hydrocars needn't worry about my stealing anything.  And i'm not trying to make any money on this - just trying to learn electronics and participate.

My main goal is to get a working "resonance scanning circuit" built - I promise to post anything I get to work.  I believe resonance is key, and since the capacitance in the WFC/LRC will always be variable due to physical configuration of the cell, contaminants in the water, consumption of water during gas production, and any other electronics in the LRC (including the VIC/FBT).  I believe the RSC circuit (and the PLL) are therefore key (to "high gas production").  Otherwise, it is just "efficient electrolysis" (which isn't necessarily a bad thing either...)


I am working these circuits b/c most attempts I've seen at S.Meyer reproductions are focused solely on the:  1) Cell, 2) VIC, 3) Alternator (or other power), 4) Pulse/Freq gererator (or other PWM).  ***but not the resonance***  I figured i would try to do something else to cover more ground...


also apologies in advance if i am redundantly covering anything already covered.  I'll admit i have not read through the entire forum...


If anyone happens to have both an unrectified FBT and a cell, i'd be extremely interested in seeing what kind of gas output you get from:  12VDC pulsed sq.wave 50% duty through the FBT into the cell (w/o chokes or any other electronics).  worst case - i'll end up trying this myself, but it'll be a while yet, since i still have to build a cell.

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Re: Vic, the end of a myth
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2008, 17:34:33 pm »
Steve,

Thanks for sharing this information.  It's very helpful information indeed.