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Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2015, 18:19:24 pm »
lol

I know.  :)

Even at the WFC I have 0A.

I measure 400V from the WFC from the L1 outside to the L2 inside.  But take it to the L2 outside to the WFC and there's nothing.  No volts or current.

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Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2015, 18:25:06 pm »
Oh, I have noticed that tuning the gating frequency changes the alignment of the pulses. Probably important.   Simulations say to keep the gate pulse at probably between 75 and 125.

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Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2015, 19:57:49 pm »
Ok.  I am using a small value cap instead of the WFC at the moment and have noticed a very distinct pattern. On both sides of resonance there is a point where the voltage jumps really high really fast across the cap out of the limits of my scope.  My scope's limits is a couple thousand volts I believe.  I catch the drop back down being in the hundreds of volts.

I'm not sure we should be aiming for actual resonance...

Or my L2 is out of tune...
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Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2015, 03:05:58 am »
when i was doing my first tests with the vic back in 2006 i had no diode in parallel with my primary nor a resistor... i was playing with the windings and found that if i had around 30turns of wire after the diode at the same core as the secondary the voltage would go to the limit of the capacitor... and the same didn't happen without the 30turns coil the secondary  had maybe 300 turns at a toroidal core the size of a hand for the secondary and maybe 30turns for the primary... strangely if the turns were more the voltage would be lower and if lower the volts go low again..

I referred many times by the vic working as a charge pump mechanism but i was not succeed in applying this to the water and see the same effect...

It acted as a boost converter but the collapse of the two coils formed a high voltage that goes to the capacitor... later i thought it could be due to the simple kick back from the transformer and concluded that it were the case..

But maybe i was wrong and it was not the case!

The more i learn the more i doubt of the conclusions i took from the tests i did in the past...



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Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2015, 03:15:31 am »
when i was doing my first tests with the vic back in 2006 i had no diode in parallel with my primary nor a resistor... i was playing with the windings and found that if i had around 30turns of wire after the diode at the same core as the secondary the voltage would go to the limit of the capacitor... and the same didn't happen without the 30turns coil the secondary  had maybe 300 turns at a toroidal core the size of a hand for the secondary and maybe 30turns for the primary... strangely if the turns were more the voltage would be lower and if lower the volts go low again..

I referred many times by the vic working as a charge pump mechanism but i was not succeed in applying this to the water and see the same effect...

It acted as a boost converter but the collapse of the two coils formed a high voltage that goes to the capacitor... later i thought it could be due to the simple kick back from the transformer and concluded that it were the case..

But maybe i was wrong and it was not the case!

The more i learn the more i doubt of the conclusions i took from the tests i did in the past...

Sorry some of that isn't quite clear....  I didn't quite follow the flow of the 30 turns and where that was placed in the circuit.

In simulation with the two core approach if the inductance on L2 is too high it actually prevents proper charging.   This is also consistent with my findings here:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2426.msg22802.html#msg22802

In this case, this seems to apply more to the L2 choke.


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Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2015, 03:26:45 am »
In that case it seemed like if the diode within the coils act as a voltage multiplier of some kind... thats what i mean...

In that case the was a toroidal transformer having a primary a secondary and a choke having 30turns connecting the secondary to the choke thru a diode would result in high voltage output... if the diode goes in the end not!

Iit seem like the coils capacitance were charged and the collapse than adds up the voltages together... i was just mentioning

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Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2015, 04:18:17 am »
A thought just came to mind. The reactance of the coils MUST be lower than or equal to the WFC at any given frequency for this to work. Again, referring to:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2426.msg22802.html#msg22802

If the reactance of the coils at any time are higher than the WFC you won't be able to get a charge on it.   At least that's the way I understand it.

Of course, equal reactance on both coils and WFC means resonance...

So, L1 in series with the secondary on the secondary core needs to be at resonance with the WFC to restrict current flow on that side of the WFC, but L2 needs to be set up BELOW resonance in order create a charge on the WFC.  (Thinking out loud)
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Re: How the VIC Works - Induced DC Current Voltage
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2015, 14:28:59 pm »
I still need to fix my main WFC.  The nuts I had been using on it are not SS and I'm pretty sure it's corrupting the capacitance I'm looking for by adding oxides to the water.  I'm expecting some SS nuts in the mail this week.