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Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
« Reply #64 on: October 23, 2014, 13:00:14 pm »
My dear friend Fabio,

Today i had some time to make more drawings of the VIC.
The target was trying to understand its working, like many others have done in the past.
I did the same in the past, but with too many parameters.
Like you, i looked for resonance etc etc etc. I looked at PFN's, standing waves etc etc.
Trying to figure out how it could work.

But today i took a different approach. I looked at it just as it is, a transformer setup.
4 coils on 1 core.
When the primary is charged, a magnetic field will be created.
So, what happens at the other coils? They will receive that magnetic field and all produce a potential difference and current will flow, if they have a closed circuit attached.
What i did was that i drew all coils on one strait core, so its easier to see how it is all connected and also to draw graphs behind it on how the voltage potentials and currents would develop when the magnetic flux rises in the core when the primary charges up.

For what its worth are here some of my conclusions:
The two chokes are basically 1 big coil with the cell exactly in the middle of that one big coil. This is funny with the knowledge in mind of that strange coil/core of the other inventor with his type of  tubecell who meet Meyer. mr. Dan Danforth.

I also see that the secondairy coil is placed in parallel to the " big coil". That basically says nothing more then that if the 2 coils would be equal, the voltage would stay the same and amps are doubled. However, in the VIC case, the two chokes are double in size then the secondairy.
Question is now how that will behave, but U=I*R will explain most of it, ill guess.But i do not think that that is important for the moment.
Ronnie has more succes with the separated chokes with their own core. The cell as a resistor in the middle of those two charging coils and discharging slowly thru the secondairy.
So, the time factor here is also a critical one...
Other question is: What happens in the middle of a coil? Maybe something with phase differences?

 









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Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2014, 13:56:04 pm »
Bravo,

I just found in a book that at 20hz the waves travel in copper at 2m/s  the book is called elecromagnetics explained

if =however the wire is a coil and its well coupled as it gets in it gets out again at speed of light since magnetic field coupling..


I would guess that the theory is to set up the waves but to make them arrive at a particular time difference...

Basically the chokes in the way you described acts as a kind of feedback system... the secondary induces in them a voltage but the way its wound this voltage induces back in the secondary a greater voltage and so on...

so could be good to have the primary more coupled to the secondary and the chokes also more coupled to the secondary than  the primary...

so i would wound the primary over the secondary and than the chokes...

or maybe secondary out than  primary and  chokes... in
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Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2014, 18:30:02 pm »
Steve another thing i was considering is that if this connections are made this way the diode actually conducts during the collapse too! since both inductors + the secondary equal positive flow.... maybe thats the origin of the doubled pulse... but why the first pulse pass on the diode if is blocked from the chokes?

Or maybe the chokes are not pulsed to a voltage similar to the secondary? maybe just smaller so the secondary conducts during pulse on and during pulse of the collapse of the two chokes fights the secondary?

there may be a balance...

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Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
« Reply #67 on: October 23, 2014, 20:58:34 pm »
Steve another thing i was considering is that if this connections are made this way the diode actually conducts during the collapse too! since both inductors + the secondary equal positive flow.... maybe thats the origin of the doubled pulse... but why the first pulse pass on the diode if is blocked from the chokes?

Or maybe the chokes are not pulsed to a voltage similar to the secondary? maybe just smaller so the secondary conducts during pulse on and during pulse of the collapse of the two chokes fights the secondary?

there may be a balance...

Just think about the charge up phase of coils and transformers.
When the primary gets its charge and a magnetic field is formed, it induces all other coils immediately.
All coils will show voltage raising as soon as the primary is getting its pulse......
Secondairy and chokes. All of them. You cannot block a magnetic field.


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Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2014, 11:17:38 am »
Hi Fabio and others,

In my quest to understand the VIC, i wrote off the "balun antenna theory" options.

Steve
Still winding his VICs

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Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
« Reply #69 on: October 26, 2014, 18:11:14 pm »
Hi Fabio and others,

In my quest to understand the VIC, i wrote off the "balun antenna theory" options.

Steve
Still winding his VICs

What you mean?

It seems alex pety is posting some interesting stuff too... 

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Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2014, 20:33:03 pm »
Hi Fabio and others,

In my quest to understand the VIC, i wrote off the "balun antenna theory" options.

Steve
Still winding his VICs

What you mean?

It seems alex pety is posting some interesting stuff too...

a working vic?


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Re: The VIC with resonant cavity project by Steve..
« Reply #71 on: October 27, 2014, 02:55:44 am »
It seems he do not get much gas of it accoriding to what he says...