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Re: Crickets are chirping
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2014, 12:26:10 pm »
I aways think about what is the progress and how could it be if those who discover things didn't patented them.

I'm working on old ideas like tay he han and fracture cell and all related again because now i think that i have enough or at least more background to be able to achieve results.

Now i also have a small 3 member team and a lab in the university. Unfortunately we are all very very busy and the project run very slow but keep going.

I'm recently thinking about meyer using the cell like an antena. At frequencies that were not the frequencies that he mentioned.

Way to go, dude!
From playing gitar in Italy to a chief master at the uni in brasil  ;)

I'm not that master yet but we hope to get there.  :D

Anyway I have a doctor in physics and a doctor in materials working with me.
Sometimes is hard to get around thermodynamics and entropy discussions but we are having a good time making models and trying to calculate them.

I think the science will reveal what Stan tried to show to us.

To mention a few i'm working with switching, i'm using two signal comparators to generate a waveform with double frequency than that detected from resonance circuit to send to the switches... at a given phase relationship... This allow me for example to switch on when the voltage or current reaches a certain value.

 


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Re: Crickets are chirping
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2014, 13:55:47 pm »
We could  think that its stupid what i'm going to say, but in my opinion we did not tried everything and the things we tried was not good to provide data to examine and use for progress, the most important things about doing a good scientific work is to take notes, drawings, data and put in a manner that it can be read and understood a kind of thesis work. 

I just thought that in my opinion anybody tried properly to add a coil in parallel with the cell and pulse it with dc at its resonant frequency.

I remember i did that and even achieved resonance but i was not knowing very well what was going on exactly.

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Re: Crickets are chirping
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2014, 14:08:31 pm »
Well if you think about it seb the secondary + C1 and C2 are in parallel with the cell...
Stan seems to refer to the C1 and C2 as series  components. since he individualized sections of the secondary i guess and is considering the secondary a source.

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Re: Crickets are chirping
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2014, 16:26:37 pm »
I mean a simple thing look the drawing.

My Point is that we need to start from simple.

Thick wire and a cell in parallel.... For what? For shake the electrons.

According to eccles the requirement to achieve fracturing in the cell is to have a strongly alternating electric field across the water.

I propose that it can be achieved by simply paralleling a coil with water cell. Since the coil will reverse the voltage immediately at the switch off of the transistor current.

The effect is that its going to accelerate the ions back and forth like per meyer description resonant action. According to eccles at the boundary of the cell or the interface between the plastic and the water the ions get striped of electrons and this electrons and protons start to populate both plates in such a manner that collision as per description of tay he happen between the free electron and free protons generating monoatomic hydrogen which ends us summing with neighbored monoatomic hydrogen atoms forming hydrogen gas
 
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Re: Crickets are chirping
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2014, 01:04:24 am »
I would like to add that the variable coil resistor in meyer system must be there for one reason! a resistor decrease the time constant of a coil but increase the time constant of a capacitor. it also restrict the current to a certain limit for a certain voltage applied so the current needed can be compensated by raising the voltage...

In my opinion is used for fine tuning the system for example you vary the resistance and find the balance and than the resistor is sized and applied to the given portion of the circuit aka coils as needed.

I had an idea to fine-tune the cell using an oscilloscope. if you think the center tap as the input and one output is to the cell and the other is to the resonant coil for example. than monitoring the voltage across the coil is possible to balance it to the point it reach a minimum
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Re: Crickets are chirping
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2014, 11:43:39 am »
the LC circuit you show reminded me of wave field synthesis , soliton formation e.t.c. some harmonic frequencies have increased voltage and all others have decreased voltage, an example would look like ac source connected to coil and varicap connected to ground in series network of LC circuits. I know I'm biting the bullet here but what about this generator of meyer ...it should work but needs minor adjustment I think.

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Re: Crickets are chirping
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2014, 12:31:08 pm »
I mean a simple thing look the drawing.

My Point is that we need to start from simple.

Thick wire and a cell in parallel.... For what? For shake the electrons.

According to eccles the requirement to achieve fracturing in the cell is to have a strongly alternating electric field across the water.

I propose that it can be achieved by simply paralleling a coil with water cell. Since the coil will reverse the voltage immediately at the switch off of the transistor current.

The effect is that its going to accelerate the ions back and forth like per meyer description resonant action. According to eccles at the boundary of the cell or the interface between the plastic and the water the ions get striped of electrons and this electrons and protons start to populate both plates in such a manner that collision as per description of tay he happen between the free electron and free protons generating monoatomic hydrogen which ends us summing with neighbored monoatomic hydrogen atoms forming hydrogen gas
 

You want to re create a microwave oven?
Shake up the ions?
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Re: Crickets are chirping
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2014, 13:08:52 pm »
if we think about component size if the cell has only 1nf the impedance at 10khz is 16000 xc
so 100v should yield around 7ma

here is my thought about it ...

I think there might be a coil in series (acting as a primary like) with small turns coupled to the secondary with more turns ... the "secondary" being that in parallel with the cell... all that being pulsed by a transformer with a diode or in a circuit like 8xx ...or simply like the one i show with a series inductor coupled to the variable one. in my opinion this is going to help somehow. because a kind of voltage feedback happens between the coils.

There occurs a kind of parametric change in the series inductor as the capacitor gets charged so initially the secondary has a discharged capacitor in parallel with it so it transmit a low impedance to the primary, and when the capacitor gets charged the secondary have less current flowing thru it.

i think the lower is the impedance the better this mean raising the frequency as much as viable and or increasing the capacitance by decreasing the gap and increasing the size of the tubes a little. lets say the capacitance increased to 10nf and you get 100khz now the impedance is 160 xc!

i mean if the water you are using is very resistive might be ok to go with lower frequencies but the higher is the frequency the better because most of the charge is going to the dielectric because ions might not have enough time to move.

Yes Steve kind of the idea is to use the flip and flop of the water molecules to shake everything and get the resonant action so desired.

Meyer said go simpler and i'm always getting simpler and it helps to understand why he complicated things.

For example in the fracture cell patent by eccles if you try it the way is described in the patent i cannot work because the capacitors get charged and nothing happens but generation of very high amount of ozone

but if you think about what they say about the ground reference, they say that the electrodes receive +or- 25kv ref.ground this mean that both transformers are actually 50kv ones and they have a center tap that communicate between them. this way yet nothing happen because you get 4 diodes in their circuit.
 if you take apart one diode from the lower part of each circuit the idea of the circuit start to make sense. Why?
Because now you get a resonant circuit and the outer plates stay charged to +25kv ref to ground but the inner plates vary from -25kv to  25kv so they actually oscillate the potential of the outer plates up to 50kv!

I mean at any moment you get the outer plates charged to +25kv each causing a reppeling force between them. if the circuit is turned of this charge must be bleed of.

I think another easier way to accomplish this patent is to have 3 transformers circuits, two to charge each of the outer plates isolatedly and one low voltage in series with a inductor and the inner plates.. this is going to create the same effect but is safer i think... in terms of components interaction.

Or could be done with 4 transformers like those for spark plugs 25kv each connected in series so you end up with a center tap .

I understand this like if they wanted to create a permanent electric field and simply switch it with a field equal and opposite in order to get very high displacement current in the capacitance of water using the lowest possible power consumption.

Anyway what they do with all this electronics and plastics stanley meyer seem to have done with a 555 timer a scr a couple of coils and a pair of tubes. And his system probable is not as complicated as described by eccles.

The idea is complicate to make people not able to replicate
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