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##### Re: The water coil
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2014, 09:19:34 am »
i'm saying that the cell if short circuited the current flow is going to depend mostly on the resistance of the circuit and the ions availability on water...

Contrary to electrolysis where the potential reduces the original dc applied, in this case, it sums... do you agree?

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##### Re: paralleling primary coils or independently pulse?
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2014, 11:39:14 am »
I think that paralleling the primary coils is possible to use the three cores but the snubber is going to receive a very strong back pulse since now there are 3 transformers so also 3 snubbers in parallel.

I think is easier than creating 3 independent circuits... i guess the toroidal coil that i'm going to wind over the tube can be separated into 3 sections and than pulsed with 3 phase...

The greater the number of cores the greater is going to be the voltage induced. Of course if paralleling the primaries...

I think that if the tube could be thinner more voltage could be reached.. The electric fields however stay the same....

I insist and would like you to tell to me what you think about it ?

Draw a cell lets say electrode A is positive, and electrode B is negative. 2 v is supplied to it, the cell immediately get charged and current start to flow. The dielectric proprieties of water the dipole orientation is such that the oxygen points towards the A electrode and the hydrogen points towards the negative electrode. In such a manner as to reduce the electric field 81 times allowing proportionally more charge to be accumulated over the electrodes. The ions of opposite polarity get attracted to the electrodes and start to discharge at the electrode. The capacitance however and action as a fuel cell limits the operation since for each electron you want to add to the system you must provide some 1,45volts worth of joules to it (depending on electrode material) so actually the energy you are inputing to let current flow is 0,55v.

In the case im proposing the potential is provided directly to the water not thru the electrodes but the electrodes are just a mean for extracting the electric current from water so the efficiency of the electric field applied is 100% and so as now the internal 1,45 volts sums with the 100% efficient electric field you get a source of electric energy that never was thought to be possible. (if it works)

Thinking about horvath patents had coils inside the cell and now i guess i understand why.

Horvarth had a coil for creating RF and magnetic fields.
Hydrogen atoms react on strong magnetic fields.
He also used a spark for EM radiation...

Its a bit similar as Herman Anderson...

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##### Re: The water coil
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2014, 14:46:32 pm »
Yes i think that too, but theres a place in the patent where he says that the transformer will output 300v  20 amps while he needs only a dc source with 12v 40 amps to drive it...

I'm not sure but i guess the fields on the water may create some effects..

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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2014, 14:54:49 pm »
My system is full of water and almost ready for testing...

I soldered all the primary and snubbers in parallel.. and connected to my circuit ...

To fill the tube without bubbles i had to drop one side of the tube to a water reservoir and suck the water from the other side up to the water get to the end of the tube than let some water drop to a lower hight than the reservoir level creating a flow by gravity potential (level) difference.

I cut a piece of copper tube 3/8 to join another piece of plastic tube but i soldered a piece of wire to its center too for getting an electrical connection on the water for measuring purposes.

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##### charging a capacitor by applying to it the voltage field 90 ยบ ahead of current
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2014, 16:22:07 pm »
Wow i just thought of something!

what is the meaning of charging  a capacitor by applying to it the voltage field 90 degrees ahead of current? is it possible to achieve this applying voltage to plates? of course not.. otherwise the current is ahead of voltage and will ever be

It means to apply a electric field to the dielectric and than connect the capacitor leads short circuited to allow the charges to actually flow and let the capacitor get charged.

I don't see any other way of doing it other than the manner i proposed using induction. The invisible connection...

o course mechanically could be achieved too, but the power consumption could be greater...

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##### Re: The water coil
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2014, 20:52:20 pm »
the radial capacitors(water cell) meyer used must have been for a reason.. think of the charges and a hollow conductor... the charges rearrange themselves, I don't think meyer has hidden something only that no one has found what he used .. in the alternator patent everything was crystal clear... anybody can understand how it works..
if you charge the inside cylinder positively the outer side of the outer cylinder is also positive, if you connect this outer side to the water the electrons to form the capacitor must come from the water , when you charged the inside cylinder you don't give the energy needed to extract electrons from water...now capacitance is formed between the cylinders and energy is the same as the energy to charge the inside cylinder, there is no displacement current when the outer cylinder is disconnected...energy is conserved when the outer cylinder is connected to ground while the inside is charged only..
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##### Re: The water coil
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2014, 04:11:30 am »
Geon meyer certainly hidden things. thats for sure. He would not give anyone any chance to get close enough to his system to see it and understand it.

Meyer clearly stated the solution is to generate energy from water otherwise the system won't run..

he clearly stated that he used multiple system thereto not contained into a single patent.

he also clearly says that water become the electron source to power the system ...  but would not tell where those 100 amps 100 volts were from.

he clearly states that he uses a pulse voltage wave form to get into resonant action to achieve gas on demand

he deliberately use the choke word to tell you he was mixing DC and pulsed voltage to achieve the pulsing wave form.

He stated that stainless steel was enough and that means that probable platinum is not required.

He explains many things in a manner that is possible to "understand" what he says but he never really explain how he really do the thing.

I believe he mixed many concepts thru the patents to try to confuse anyone trying to follow them. Thats why i took the opposite way. I decided to understand whats happening in there and design the circuit based on my assumptions of what is required for that to happen. Of course i always do a matching follow up research in my brain to try to find the similarities it can have to meyer design and where and why he might have hidden things...  but i don't limit myself there.

I guess the idea now is to construct all the recent ideas i had. to see why they won't work and learn more from there.

He clearly states that he applies the voltage ahead of current this can be only done with induction! who agree with that?

There are of course other opinions many people have fight many threads because of my crazy ideas about meyer being a lier hehe but i really believe he was not stupid at all to even mention the very secret part required for it to work. He could even done that but in a manner to not attract attention to it just to play around but as he was really serious person i doubt he ever mentioned it.

Geon you forget that you charge the inner plate but the outer plate also the water inside and outside all the way to ground get polarized because i'm assuming you are charging relative to ground. The potential at the inner electrode is going to be higher than the potential at the outer electrode so theres a diference of potential in such a way that if you actually connect a wire between the inner and outer capacitor the charges in the inner capacitor want to go to the outer capacitor, so is a situation  that is going to reach equilibrium somewhere. well i tried applying high voltage in many ways to the water and never got higher than 1000 volts... so i think that meyer was talking about something else.

Again in your situation lets assume  you got water between those eletcrodes than you get the following situation the negative ions get attracted to the positive charge plate, the positive ions in turn get repelled from it, if you connects the wire the electrons cannot flow because the positive zone attracts the electrons inside the wire too and probably more than it attract the electrons from water, and nothing should happen...

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