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Re: The water coil
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2014, 07:43:47 am »
good point steve

I just did the first tests... like aways it didn't work as predicted the induced voltage is very small actually the system capture very high induction from 60hz line...


the reason for not working can be many...

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Re: The water coil
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2014, 07:48:00 am »
Meyer talk about stainless steel is a requirement for it to happen lets guess why?

Corrosive environment needed, correct?

what else?

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Re: The water coil
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2014, 08:13:17 am »
no wires needed the outer plate contacts water there's direct conduction... simple stainless steel should work...if the metal oxidizes there's no conduction after... only on the inside of ccapacitor a dielectric layer is needed to insulate, it would be goood if once the capacitor is formed there's a discharge with a spark to the outer plate.. if the gap is adjusted to breakdown only when voltage is increased , regular dielectrics when they breakdown they are done, maybe some dielectric that is immune to this effect like some oxides?
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Re: The water coil
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2014, 14:06:37 pm »
Geon what are your ideas about the thing i'm proposing here?

Lets create a nice thread with a nice drawings for your idea too. i learned in the university that you make a drawing and you can understand the thing lot better and think about the problem in a better manner.

How about the 300 reads? almost no comments? how is that?

Please you should help here too not just reading only but replying and discussing, questioning, this way it can get better.. and well I alone can think a lot but reading from you your ideas and reactions is possible to we create lot more in less time.

I'm going to add stainless steel fittings to the tubes ends to get the electrical connections and try again....  i will also try to get the tube a little smaller after its out the region of high magnetic field of the transformer...


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Acid, Base or Neutral
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2014, 15:59:31 pm »
Its known that the mechanism of conduction in electrolytes depends on the electrolyte PH .. . 

For example an acid solution has more H+ ions than OH- ions thereto only the ion H+ has to travel the electrolyte to discharge ...

If its neutral both ions are responsible for conduction.

And if its Basic environment Oh- ions are greater number thereto due to their size and mass the ionic mobility or conduction should be less than in the neutral case and the acid case.

If we want to act on the electrons of the molecules the greater is the molecule the easier should be to take an electron out of it because the difference in acceleration...

My question is if the ions of conduction are only Oh- on the mechanism what should it be exactly?

Other question how about the positive H+ ion situation?

I remember that ion the case of sodium hydroxide the sodium can't get out of water thereto after its ion discharge it ionize another molecule to keep in solution state.


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Faraday second law of electrolysis
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2014, 16:07:37 pm »
Second law of electrolysis
Faraday discovered that when the same amount of electricity is passed through different electrolytes/elements connected in series, the mass of substance liberated/deposited at the electrodes is directly proportional to their equivalent weights.

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Re: The water coil
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2014, 21:12:52 pm »
this comes from the conservation of mass doesnt it? the thing is that with faraday you can't make hydrogen with low energy cost..

the idea I propose is that outside the capacitor on it's surface conduction is possible, after charges have been induced on it's surface and if the electric field is high enough electrons can be dislodged from H2O molecules forming hydrons H+ and the capacitor is then formed... the question is if half of the total charges on the outer cylinder are moved in order to have the outside charges the same charge as the inside cylinder then only half of the displacement current has been given... because only half of the charges are moved..... the other comes from anything that gives or takes electrons... if you leave the circuit connected then energy is conserved .. because displacement current is the only way capacitors can conserve energy. not all circuits are closed.. when current flow in an open circuit maxwell's law are broken.
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Dangerous experiments potentially hazardous
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2014, 09:55:36 am »
Be aware that the experiments i proposed here has chemicals and high voltage used to it that are at dangerous levels and thereto these experiments should be realized only by qualified person with all the security necessary, so if you plan to do it yourself, do it on your own risk i cannot assume any responsibility for the results good bad or dangerous.

I'm saying this because is very easy to get hurt and i aways get, but i'm responsible for my acts.

I'm saying that the readers are stupid but everyone can mistake sometimes. 

Today i got a situation where the acid could have drop and burned me and my gear and i had this feeling of danger thought.