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##### Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« on: March 05, 2014, 16:17:44 pm »
Meyer refer to resonant action explaining that is all about movement and deflection of the ions...

I worked this days with many concepts of magnetism and some new exiting experiments that are keeping me from sleep and simply i decided to think about the resonant action stan proposed again..

I was thinking about what if we could simply create a high voltage strong field but instead of pulsing it and its than switched off and reverse the polarity in a ballistic manner to collide the ions and electrons in the bath.

The idea is:

choke connected in series to a dc source  a secondary of a transformer and the cell, the primary is wound facing the secondary and this is pulsed in such a manner that the pulse sums to the dc during pulses on an rapid enough completely reverse the polarity of the cell shooting the ions back into the water as the magnetic field collapses ... as the ions cannot go fast enough they get ionized and the electrons should create an avalanche like effect.

So basically you are applying Dc and a Pulsed current at the same time...

The higher is the resistivity of the water the higher is going to be the voltages possible to be used... the higher the back pulse the greater is the ballistic action...

Seems a good theory?

My idea is that the Dc creates an steady electric field but as the choke can resist an ac current the electric field can be efficiently and very rapidly changed in the shape you want it to.

The operational parameters for this must be the voltage the capacitance of the cell, the distance, from this you get the electric field and the number of ions that can be collected at the electrode. Than applying this counter electric field simply accelerate the electrons and or ions back to their original position but as the capacitances involved are really small its clear that it can be a very fast event.

The greater is the resistivity of the water the greater must be the efficiency since you need to spend less amps to attract n ions to the electrode. This allow higher voltage to be applied increasing the products of the reactions.
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##### Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2014, 23:38:56 pm »
All this was created using knowledge that i acquired thru lot of hard study and years literally of hard work of guessing with all the terms meyer used like chokes for example.

Chokes are used to keep ac from dc line. this is the definition

resonant action as he described is the oscillation back and forth movement of the ions along the procedure of polarization process.

Basically i guess the resonant action is what is needed.

The polarization process is simply apply dc to system.

The resonant action should interact to let the capacitor get into a tremendous generating stage!

The regenerative snubber is calculated to keep the maximum voltage of the primary kickback controlled within the mosfet used. (relays could be used)

A capacitor can be added between the S and N poles of the chokes... this would allow it to become a resonant choke system

Example lets takes meyers numbers but ignoring the diode

5 amps at maybe 100v plus maybe 100v pulsed but when the pulse collapse the voltage can be as high as 4000 volts...

I think meyer always refer to resistive wire considering the fact of the dc flowing in the circuit...
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##### Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2014, 01:05:43 am »
Example circuit:

L1 100t ( less than 0,1 ohm)
L2 300t ( 1ohm )
chokes 30t
L3  20t for 600v mosfets and up to 100v input

So the pulse sums 100v to 300v during pulse on and the collapsing pulse can be as high as 1500v on the secondary...

A capacitor maybe 100nf between N and S could be useful.. it forms a filter ...

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##### Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2014, 09:02:36 am »
I already simulated this and its all about getting duty cycles greater than 70% and up to 95% to get the resonant action effect

the capacitor is relevant as i said from 100nf to 1uf is ok

the chokes up to 1mh is ok

the capacitor cell must be small (the smaller the capacitance the greater is the voltage regardless of the resistance (in terms))

The snubber also must be implemented only with zenner i guess or crowbar active circuit...

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2014, 10:38:31 am »
The wave form meyer shows if you take strict sense what i'm talking about seems just like a full wave rectified wave except that it is biased. So his waveform is not from rectification... a diode would kill the effect in the way he show on diagrams.

The thing about that pulsed waveform meyer show is that it aways return to zero volts but actually as its biased is just stay positive the greater part of the time than it simply reverts the voltage quickly and violently...
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2855.0;attach=13343;image)

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##### Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2014, 18:45:33 pm »
4000v would be great as a small peak, but how?
The cell will have very low resistance....

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##### Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2014, 19:35:08 pm »
So whats the objective of that circuit layout? why does one end of the secondary goto positive of the battery? whats the purpose of that? not sure why secondary is not across the cell  alone but is in series with the battery and the cell along with other elements.
+V>inductor>resistor>secondary>inductor>resistor> cell> inductor>resistor> ground...
along with some parallel and bypass elements along the way...
what is the objective of this?

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##### Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2014, 21:10:25 pm »
Steve The higher the purity of the water the greater is going to be the voltage its going to reach. Ideally very pure water should be used and it should probably constantly purified. The idea is to charge the cell and rapidly revert the voltage such that the ions can't discharge so they are forced to collide instead ..  the cell get charged and than discharged by the collapse of the pulse that helped charging it.

Outlawstc The circuit layout is mixing dc and pulsed voltage over it.  The DC provides the static electric field (the biasing) and the circuit pulses this electric field at points increasing it and at other points reversing it to cause the resonant action during the electrical polarization process. I added resistors around to simulate for internal resist aces of the coils and source... the chokes and the capacitor keeps the high frequency away from the DC source... The other coil in series with the cell having a diode in parallel is attempt to create more resistance for the moment of the pulse on than to the moment of the collapse.

I tried to use existing components on the simulation...  although i guess on real life the transformer is not going to saturate that much...

(http://iwanthho.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/res-pulse.gif?w=460)

This wave form is the same as the one i'm proposing, but as i explained it has a Dc bias implied i mean, it stay for 95% of the time applying DC+Pulsed voltage than when the pulse terminate it applies DC-collapsing voltage.

The opposite could work too maybe but i'm not really sure....

Most of the components could be took right off of the system including the chokes... i thought they were helping but to that worth much...

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