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Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2014, 21:19:29 pm »
Steve that beef pulse on the cell could be due to 2 things...

one:  the plates attracts charges and neutralizes when disconnected

two: there might be a certain measurable inductive phenomena in the cell.

I think that the force bounces a little bit back, like an inductor.
However, only just the layers of ions on the plates.
The rest of the charge is in the waterbath.
Compare it with a capacitor that does not discharge in totall.
If you would be able to build a circuit that catches the bemf pulse in a coil, like a buck converter, you might step up voltage....






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Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2014, 21:19:41 pm »
water is a dipole molecule there's a hysteresis when the voltage is changed in the water capacitor until the dipoles align to the e field and lower the capacitor voltage ...

Good point, in terms of dielectric the dipoles is going to take a time t to change their position and actually they start a oscillatory movement when that happens, it keeps swinging rotating about its axis at a given frequency...

As we are reverting the electric field the molecules should be able to rotate.

But my point is that as the ions are at a distance x from the electrode its able to discharge the capacitor is going to be able to reverse the voltage without discharging much of the ions..

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Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2014, 21:20:34 pm »
The resonance goes between cell and coil.

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Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2014, 23:49:07 pm »
You are talking about the polarization Steve? I mean that voltage that is lost when the voltage source is disconnected from the capacitor? you believe you could do it again? do you remember the setup?



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Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2014, 13:03:49 pm »
The power was just switched off and on with a PWM.
2n3055 was used as a switch, hooked on a tubecell with 5 tubes. Dont use a FET!!!!!!!!!!! FETS have snubbers and go into resonance. The transistor gave a nice bemf peak.
It was that simple.
Ca. 20khz.
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Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2014, 16:10:26 pm »
The power was just switched off and on with a PWM.
2n3055 was used as a switch, hooked on a tubecell with 5 tubes. Dont use a FET!!!!!!!!!!! FETS have snubbers and go into resonance. The transistor gave a nice bemf peak.
It was that simple.
Ca. 20khz.


Did you had a diode across (antiparallel) the transistor for preventing reverse voltage across it?

Do you remember how much negatively it kick back?

I'm going to try this to see if i can see this effect and try to get to know why it happens...

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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2014, 16:12:47 pm »

... to force electrons ejection to cause collisions and sub sequential ionization

In my view, creating this electron avalanche should be your only goal here ..nothing else.
...and the more complicated you make it, the further away you will be from getting that result.


Yes Mookie it seems to me the more complicated it gets the far it get from the real deal.

It seems to me that h20 power (edward mitchel) was correct in his understanding of the resonant action but wrong about how should it be constructed to get such

 

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Re: Resonant Action (the Resonant choke system) Explained
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2014, 17:17:28 pm »
No diodes across the cell.
But you need amps going thru your cell.