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Re: Plate cell construction (setup without use of chemicals)
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2008, 11:42:18 am »
Tonight, i will run test with lower voltage. 5 volts.
Then i can make my mind up on the size of the platecell.

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Re: Plate cell construction (setup without use of chemicals)
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2008, 16:59:57 pm »
Today i ran a 3 plate setup.
To test the option of a neutral plate and what would happen.

Results:
1 neutral on 12Vdc with tapwater works.
1 neutral on 5Vdc with tapwater does not work at all.

12Vdc with 1 neutral plate drops the amps from 1.53 till 0.6 amps.

Conclusion: with lower volts, you will get a higher efficiency, but you have to use more plates and greater plates.
Plate size must be a factor 3 till 4 bigger before you get the same amp draw.

If you wanna see a video of this 3 plate setup, just go to:


gap space is 0.6mm

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« Last Edit: April 20, 2008, 19:29:21 pm by stevie1001 »

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Re: Plate cell construction (setup without use of chemicals)
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2008, 17:57:16 pm »
Hi,

The following parameters will be used on my next WFC.

1. Voltage: 12VDC
2. Amps max: 32A
3. Watertype: Tapwater
4. Chemicals: NON
5. Gap space between plates: 0.022 inche
6. Plate height: 5 inches
7. Plate length: 8 inches
8. Neutral plates: 1

« Last Edit: April 20, 2008, 19:27:29 pm by stevie1001 »

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Re: Plate cell construction (setup without use of chemicals)
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2008, 14:12:43 pm »
Aloha,
Yes, those plates were in parallel.

Running tap water and straight DC is, in some opinions, not a practical why to formulate testing.
Aside from the chlorine, your tap water likely contains dissolved solids which affect acidity. Like adding a weak electrolite.
Have you done a PH test on the water?
Is it neutral PH?
Is it consistant day by day?
Do you live in an area where old pipes may be present- which could leach iron, lead, etc?
It would be best to use distilled water, or at least filtered water.
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Re: Plate cell construction (setup without use of chemicals)
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2008, 22:03:45 pm »
Aloha,
Yes, those plates were in parallel.

Running tap water and straight DC is, in some opinions, not a practical why to formulate testing.
Aside from the chlorine, your tap water likely contains dissolved solids which affect acidity. Like adding a weak electrolite.
Have you done a PH test on the water?
Is it neutral PH?
Is it consistant day by day?
Do you live in an area where old pipes may be present- which could leach iron, lead, etc?
It would be best to use distilled water, or at least filtered water.
Bill

Bill,

I am aware of the fact that my tapwater is pretty constant and is holding some stuff in it.
The fact is that i want to drive on tapwater. I dont wanna buy destilled and KOH.
Destilled is asking for chemicals, otherwise it is doing nothing.


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Re: Plate cell construction (setup without use of chemicals)
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2008, 08:03:20 am »
Aloha,
I live in an agricultural area. The result is fertilizers leach into the water. My water has a slightly acidic PH.
Also my home is almost 70 years old. Even though I have replaced all of the plumbing, I bet there are a lot of old pipes here, and I live at the bottom of the sub-division. As a result, I may get contaminates from my neighbors too. I don't drink tap water here, even though it tastes good and comes from a beautiful spring.
The point is, when I put this tap water into a cell, it really reacts. Even if you have really super clean tap water, it's a good idea not to recommend it. Most communities sell filtered water cheaply. At least do a PH test. A dissolved solids tester can be had for a reasonable price. If your PH is not neutral, then your not much different than the guy using a slight amount of lye, etc. in distilled water.
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Re: Plate cell construction (setup without use of chemicals)
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2008, 08:51:02 am »
You are right, bill.
I will run a ph test.
Do you have numbers on how much ph water may have?

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Re: Plate cell construction (setup without use of chemicals)
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2008, 10:52:12 am »
Aloha,
Thanks for the reply.
Neutral PH is technically 7.0. Anything between 6.5 and 7.5 could be neutral.
If your water, even neutral, develops a scum on top, it is contaminated.
Filtered water will get dirty too, buts it's a good option, usually consistent. A good standard. When you duplicate Stan- then water choice may not be as critical.
Bill