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I've  been re-reading the section Tri-Coil Construction in the section pertaining to Water Fuel Injection System P.6-3  ¶1 to p.6-4  ¶4 .  Here, Meyers describes the coil implementation as it applies to the Water Fuel Injection System.  The coil described does not look anything like the coil design indicated in Figure (3-23) of Memo WFC 422DA, the well known VIC 5 spool bobbin with rectangle core.  Not only that, but the way it is wound is very interesting.

First, Meyers describes the choke windings.  He used some sort of stainless steel wire, apparently very thin (.004) 37 gauge, and wound them apparently in a Tesla style bifilar pancake coil fashion.  See http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2638.0.html .  Additionally, it seems that there were many of these pancake bifilar coils parallel to each other and sequentially connected to form the chokes.  This is the first layer on the steel core.  See P.6-3  ¶1.

The next layer on is the primary coil.  It is wound AROUND the choke pancake coils in a more or less normal coil winding fashion using 20 gauge wire. P.6-3  ¶2

Finally, the secondary coil is wound AROUND the primary.  Again, as with the chokes, it appears that the secondary is made of up multiple pancake coils wired in sequence.  P.6-3  ¶3

Conclusions based on the above:
1.  Not much current is being applied to the primary.  The wire is small.   Probably maximum of a couple amps.
2.  Current on the secondary and chokes will likewise be very low as this wire would easily heat up and/or burn out with current above the milliamp range.
3.  Bobbin style is probably not relevant
4.  Pancake coils are used for augmenting or negating capacitive charge in the coils.  This probably very significant.  It also possibly means that the number of turns on each pancake coil may not be that high.

See Figure 6-1 on page 6-5 of the document "Birth of a New Technology".

TS
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Re: Stanley Meyer Fact References Memo WFC 425DA - Coil Winding Method
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2013, 09:42:54 am »
i agree on the pancake issue.
Question is what why Stan prefers pancake above a traditional coil...


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Re: Stanley Meyer Fact References Memo WFC 425DA - Coil Winding Method
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2013, 12:47:23 pm »
i agree on the pancake issue.
Question is what why Stan prefers pancake above a traditional coil...

Because of this:   http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2638.0.html

I believe it may be possible to have a much higher potential as a result.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Fact References Memo WFC 425DA - Coil Winding Method
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2013, 20:10:27 pm »
Yes TS you are right,i also tried the pancake configuration as my chokes and instead of 12v with regular chokes i got 18v with the pancake.Ts. i managed to lock in with Tony 's  vic ,but with a little tweaking from the pll pot in scanning mode,i had the 220 ohm in series with tip120,in your videos i saw yours in paralel,my transf was vic coil tipe....   Br.Ady!

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Re: Stanley Meyer Fact References Memo WFC 425DA - Coil Winding Method
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2015, 18:24:11 pm »
I was burning out my TIP with it in series.  It was Tony who suggested putting it in parallel instead.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Fact References Memo WFC 425DA - Coil Winding Method
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2015, 11:20:47 am »
Nice to see you here ts...

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Re: Stanley Meyer Fact References Memo WFC 425DA - Coil Winding Method
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2015, 04:13:00 am »
Heh, thanks.  I've been quietly working int he background on some Ideas Ronnie's provided.  I've got the current limiting working well enough.  I've been trying to figure out if there's a specific way to use the gate pulse.  I've been able to get Tony's circuit to lock in resonance quite easily now, but I'm not sure I'm getting the correct wave form on the secondary.  Also, not seeing the voltage climb.

Really anxious to hear some more from Ronnie on the technique he's using.