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WFC Not Over Unity
« on: December 12, 2012, 01:33:08 am »
I want to talk about a couple of things here. I've seen on many forums were people are talking about the WFC being over unity, but it's really not! Stan even says in his lectures that his system isn't over unity! He says many times that the WFC consumes between 3 & 5 amps, but its nothing compared to the power output of Hydrogen! like for example, lets say your WFC is consuming 3 amps @ 14.6V and its producing enough hydrogen to run a 4 cylinder engine. Now can you take that same 3 amps @ 14.6V and rotate the 4 cylinder engine? The answer is simply NO! There's really noway you could run an engine with that small of a current and voltage combination, but with a WFC and the hydrogen output at these power levels can! I hope you guess are following what I'm saying here.

I also want to talk about the PLL and exactly what the 4046 chip is looking for in order to "Lock-In" to resonance. Stan talks a lot about Resonance in his system and basically what he has built is an impedance matching systems (This can also be seen in Stephen Meyer's patents). When you build an LC circuit, you will get resonance at a specific frequency. You can also get resonance at Harmonics and Sub-Harmonics of this specific frequency. Some many be more efficient than others, but the concept is the same, Resonance achieved and maintained. OK, so let me get into the signal that the PLL 4046 is looking for. Pin 14 receives a "cleaned up", virtually perfect, square wave from the Feedback coil, while at the same time Pin 3 is receiving a square wave signal from the VIC's Primary coil. The signal from the Primary coil at all frequencies (except for the Resonant, Harmonics, & Sub-Harmonics frequencies) will be distorted and the PLL is looking for a prefect square wave to match the signal it's receiving at Pin 14. So, the only time you will get "Lock-In" is when these two signals are a perfect square wave and this means that the LC circuit and Primary coil are Impedance Match and the energy transfer will be at its most efficient point!!! Once the signal at Pin 3 and Pin 14 are matched, the PLL will lock to this frequency and out this single signal at Pin 4. When out of "Resonance", the signal's frequency at Pin 4 will vary/scan. This is the basic concept of the Voltage Intensifier Circuit and its function. I have included a couple of images to show the signal in "Resonance" and out of "Resonance".

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Re: WFC Not Over Unity
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2012, 02:48:03 am »
Excellent description of the PLL.  Thanks Tony!!

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Re: WFC Not Over Unity
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2012, 10:48:49 am »
Tony,first time you start the circuit you have to manualy search the res freq?in order to give the 4046 a clean signal at the primary?and then he automaticaly locks?or the scaner scans right from the begining and the signal is created by the 4046,if so why do we need the manual freq gen.?

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All about tuning now!
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2012, 20:54:12 pm »
Why would something that multiply power input to be over unity? Well in strict sense of the word it indeed is... but as meyer said he was able to tap into it by releasing the power from water..

I got the vic to work as described by him... collapsing the field and generating another pulse... Its amazing how simple stupid it is... you just need to make the connection...

It is indeed a voltage intensifier circuit! 


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Re: All about tuning now!
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2012, 20:59:13 pm »
I got the vic to work as described by him... collapsing the field and generating another pulse... Its amazing how simple stupid it is...

It is indeed a voltage intensifier circuit!

Oh?  Got some step by step details on that?  Scope shots?  Amazing amounts of HHO yet?

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multiplier during switch off condition...
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2012, 21:47:57 pm »
I can only say the the bifilar is a key concept, but no results yet keep coiling here..

Restricting amps to allow voltage take over and do work in a dead short condition...

my theories were right in the end, is just matter of too hard work to make things work in our favor...

guess what i created a two step method to determine primary turns number... for just pulsing cores with class c ampliƬfier basically unipolar square wawe

simply you need to find the maximum flux the core can handle multiplying the Bmax field by the crossectional area in square meters... this is the flux in webber quantity

B max for ferrite is around 0,3 Tesla

so

Flux = Bmax * Area

than simply primary turns required is = ((volts applied / flux) / frequency)



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Re: multiplier during switch off condition...
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2012, 01:08:35 am »
B max for ferrite is around 0,3 Tesla

so

Flux = Bmax * Area

than simply primary turns required is = ((volts applied / flux) / frequency)

So basically you would say something like this?
Flux = 0.3 * 0.0381
Flux = 0.01143

Primary Turns = ((12V / 0.01143) / 5000)
Primary Turns = 1049.87 / 5000
Primary Turns = 0.209974

I'm guessing from here you would use the 1/x function? Like 1 / 0.209974 = 4.76 Turns???

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Re: WFC Not Over Unity
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2012, 01:12:39 am »
nono the formula is correct the area you used is just too big... if you multiply something like 2cm x 2cm it makes 0,0004m2 sqmeters ...

the formula for sine wave is similar.. Nt=volts/4.44/Hz/m2/Bmax

If hbrige was used than instead of 4.44 it just rounds to 4