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Re: THE V.I.C.
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2012, 20:58:54 pm »
I found that is good to have a multimeter between drain and source of the transistor, another across the diode, another across the cell, another across the secondary and one across the chokes ...


An oscilloscope is essential too...


I urgently need one...




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Re: THE V.I.C.
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2012, 23:01:26 pm »
http://www.opamp-electronics.com/tutorials/static_electricity_1_01_01.htm or "single fluid theory"

Electrons and Ben Franklin

    Ben Franklin's "single fluid theory" showed that
    a given body possessing a normal amount of
    electric fluid was called neutral. During the
    process of charging, the fluid was transferred
    from one body to the other; the body with the
    deficiency being charged minus and the body
    with the excess charged plus . But no fluid is
    lost. Ben's "single fluid theory" led to the
    electron theory in 1900: electrons move about
    conductors much as a fluid might move.

CURRENT ELECTRICITY IS THE OPPOSITE OF STATIC ELECTRICITY? Wrong.
"Static Electricity" appears whenever the negative charges within matter are separated from the positive charges. "Current" appears whenever the negative charges within matter are made to flow through the positive charges (or when positive flows through negative.) "Static" and "Current" are two separate kinds of events, they are not opposites.

    "Static" is a separation; it is a stretching-apart, and it really has little to do with anything remaining static or stationary.

    "Current" is a flowing motion. It has little to do with the separation of opposite charges.

"Static electricity" was misnamed, and it really should be called "charge separation" or maybe "stretched" or "pressurized" electricity. Since stretch is not the opposite of flow, Static is not the opposite of Current. And athough electric current really exists and electric charge really exists, there is no such material as either "current electricity" or "static electricity." See http://amasci.com/miscon/curstat2.html on this topic.

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Magnetic Field Coupling (71) of Figure (7-9) entering into and passing through Secondary Coil-winding (52) of Figure (7-8) causes and produces copper ions (643a xxx 643n) (Positive Charged atoms 542a xxx 542n having missing electrons) when moving external electromagnetic field strength (71a xxx 7In) is sufficient enough to dislodge electromagnetically charged electrons (64Ia xxx 64In) from copper atoms making up copper wire material (52). Collectively, the resultant positive electrical charged copper ions (642a xxx 642n) added together produces Positive Voltage Potential (629) being electrically applied to choke-coil (56); whereas, the "Liberated" negative electrical charged electrons (64Ia xxx 64In) added together provides Negative Voltage Potential (631) to the opposite end of Secondary Wire (52) being electrically connected to choke coil (62). Once Secondary Coil-winding (52) is de-energized by the removal (collapsing magnetic field during pulse off-time T2 of external Magnetic Field (71), the dislodged electrons (641a xx 641n) return to positive charged copper ions (642a xx 642n) ... terminating and switching off opposite voltage potential (629 - 631) when positive electrical state of the copper atoms changes back to net electrical charge of zero. Sustaining and maintaining the resultant induced Voltage Potential (Vo - Vn) without "Electron Discharged" (inhibiting electron flow) through Choke Coil (62) while, at the same time, inhibiting (preventing) any additional or other electrons from entering into Secondary copper wire-zone (52) by way of Choke Coil (56) is herein called "Electron Bounce Phenomenon" (EbP), as illustrated in (700) of Figure (7-9).

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Note 1) The Electron Inhibiting Effect (631) of Figure (7-6) to cause "Electron Clustering" (Grouping/collecting negative charged particles at a given point) (700) of Figure (7-9) to produce ''Negative Voltage Potential" ( B- ) at one side of Water Gap (Cp) of Figure (7-8) is accomplished by low electrical power input (Tab 38) when Choke-Coil (62) of Figure (7-1) magnetic field (FL2) (690) of Figure (7-8) during pulse on-time (49) impede "Electron-Flow" since electron mass is composed of electromagnetic matter which interacts with magnetic field strength (FL2). Capacitance Charging Effect (628) prevents amp influxing away from Water Gap (Cp) in a similar manner ... producing "Electrical Stress" (SS' - RR') (B+/B-) across Water Gap (Cp) since both Choke-Coils (56/62) conducts voltage potential (Negative or Positive) during pulsing operations.

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Re: THE V.I.C.
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2012, 15:19:28 pm »
Webmug,

Is that a question like?

If you wrote this because of the differences i pointed between electric fields from separation of charges or from  electromagnetic induction i would say well they are different yes, and as they are from different sources they got some different properties.

The epsilon 0 and charge of an electron are determined using electromagnetic systems where the put a certain current to flow in a coil creating a magnetic field and than they deflect an electron bean in an electric field... This 1 amper of current than 1 coulomb if is separated by a distance of 1 meter will develop 9,000,000 tons of force.

Although i still think both are separations of charge, the induction are only making the charges free to move to move in the metal, so current flow as long as there is magnetic force and the circuit is close.

In static condition the charges are separated, and no extra source of charges or difference of potential exists, thus it if the charges get discharged there is no charge left.

In my point of view meyer used electrodynamics to create the charge densities observed in static systems... 

And he did this in such way that the charges are separated but no longer can flow since there is zero potential difference on the circuit during pulse off and since current is prohibited.

"Sustaining and maintaining the resultant induced Voltage Potential (Vo - Vn) without "Electron Discharged" (inhibiting electron flow) through Choke Coil (62) while, at the same time, inhibiting (preventing) any additional or other electrons from entering into Secondary copper wire-zone (52) by way of Choke Coil (56) is herein called "Electron Bounce Phenomenon" (EbP), as illustrated in (700) of Figure (7-9)."

 ''Negative Voltage Potential" ( B- ) at one side of Water Gap (Cp) of Figure (7-8) is accomplished by low electrical power input (Tab 38) when Choke-Coil (62) of Figure (7-1) magnetic field (FL2) (690) of Figure (7-8) during pulse on-time (49) impede "Electron-Flow"

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Re: THE V.I.C.
« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2012, 16:12:20 pm »
Webmug,

Is that a question like?

If you wrote this because of the differences i pointed between electric fields from separation of charges or from  electromagnetic induction i would say well they are different yes, and as they are from different sources they got some different properties.

The epsilon 0 and charge of an electron are determined using electromagnetic systems where the put a certain current to flow in a coil creating a magnetic field and than they deflect an electron bean in an electric field... This 1 amper of current than 1 coulomb if is separated by a distance of 1 meter will develop 9,000,000 tons of force.

Although i still think both are separations of charge, the induction are only making the charges free to move to move in the metal, so current flow as long as there is magnetic force and the circuit is close.

In static condition the charges are separated, and no extra source of charges or difference of potential exists, thus it if the charges get discharged there is no charge left.

In my point of view meyer used electrodynamics to create the charge densities observed in static systems... 

And he did this in such way that the charges are separated but no longer can flow since there is zero potential difference on the circuit during pulse off and since current is prohibited.

"Sustaining and maintaining the resultant induced Voltage Potential (Vo - Vn) without "Electron Discharged" (inhibiting electron flow) through Choke Coil (62) while, at the same time, inhibiting (preventing) any additional or other electrons from entering into Secondary copper wire-zone (52) by way of Choke Coil (56) is herein called "Electron Bounce Phenomenon" (EbP), as illustrated in (700) of Figure (7-9)."

 ''Negative Voltage Potential" ( B- ) at one side of Water Gap (Cp) of Figure (7-8) is accomplished by low electrical power input (Tab 38) when Choke-Coil (62) of Figure (7-1) magnetic field (FL2) (690) of Figure (7-8) during pulse on-time (49) impede "Electron-Flow"

Seb,

Got some scope shots:
First the open circuit measured;
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11435)

positive choke B+ connected to WFC plate, B- open;
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11437)

negative choke B- connected to WFC plate, B+ open;
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11439)

chokes connected to both B+ and B- connected to WFC;
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11441)

PULSE on the same frequency and GATE duty cycle and period are fixed except when the WFC is connected frequency is lower.

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« Last Edit: September 07, 2012, 21:15:01 pm by webmug »

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Re: THE V.I.C.
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2012, 20:37:48 pm »
I finished the vic and it burned at first run actually it fired a big flame really really strange, because it seems the discharge didn't occurred between coils but only between one side of the coil and the core.. strange because it only touched the core in one place and it penetrated the insulation!!!

This means thats lot of pressure there!!! sure it can do something to the water... The problem is... it should be placed in oil maybe...

I will try to find if it were destructed somewhere else inside and reduce the number or choke turns a little...

What i think that happened is that the electrons wanted to flow to somewhere and the diode was blocking them so they fired out the choke... to somewhere conducting, the core...


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Re: THE V.I.C.
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2012, 09:58:36 am »
Hello check this out...
feature=player_embedded#!

This guy constructed the vic exactly according to my theory... "i don't know" if he read it... well who knows... he didn't credited it...

Anyway he got exactly same nice waves i got when i could test my resonant vic in the past at the university using the oscilloscope... the time i was blowing many mosfests... and some gas was generated with highly pure water...

As i didn't had an oscilloscope at home the only thing indicating to me the resonance was the current and voltages...

but at that time the theory wasn't correct... although resonance was correct...

knowledge is like a wave... at the beach you don't see what creates it...

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Re: THE V.I.C.
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2012, 13:56:34 pm »
UPDATED POST: Here we go! « Last Edit: Today at 17:32:53 by webmug »

I got some new insight what the EbP (Electron Bounce Phenomenon) is and started to fiddle with the CYCLE, PERIOD and PULSE FREQUENCY dials on my waveform generator.

I noticed that the EbP is already shown in the patents from Stan. It only doesn't read in theory as when you see it in real experimentation.

Look at the Figure 7-9 (700) from the Birth of New Technology document.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11376)

We see electrons dislodged starting to from positive voltage potential at the top and we have electron clustering forming negative potential at the bottom. This is the secondary coil.

This has no meaning when we tune in with a PULSE FREQUENCY on resonance. We only see AC swing.

The phenomenon happens when we start the GATE (CYCLE). The PULSE FREQUENCY is now off resonance when you GATE the PULSE.

The PERIOD is pausing the CYCLES (NUMBER OF PULSES) going into the coils and creating a bouncing magnetic field. This what Stan said in the document creating the EbP!

Now the trick is to tune into the maximum charging of the chokes and let it collapse in sync!

Connections
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11387)

This is the signal I got before the diode (yellow trace) and the PULSE CYCLES.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11382)

The PLL has to maintain the PULSE frequency and here you can see the pickup signal. The PERIOD is about 100mSec because the time gap between wave is too wide, the PLL can't lock-on but if the PERIOD is 3mSec we have a continuous wave to lock-on!
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11385)

In my scope shot newfile15 you see the positive choke forming unipolar pulses.  GND is connected between secondary negative and negative choke. Now this is just to show what EbP is!!! The negative choke is not tuned, you see the voltage is not on resonant frequency as the positive choke. This is because of the GND connection, negative choke can not swing!!!
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11378)

When you lose the gnd connection between secondary negative and negative choke you see newfile20 the same phenomenon but there are still electrons moving. To have UNIPOLAR pulses to form there must be 99% electron inhibiting. Meaning above zero for positive pulse wave and below zero negative pulses.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11380)(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11408)

Now I did this test with choke L1 3100 turns and L2 also 3100 turns. Secondary has 2700 turns and primary 521.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11384

Coils Coefficients
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2474.msg23195.html#msg23195

I think this is the starting point for the Resonance VIC transformer and we can now see the workings what happens when electron movement is inhibited. This is far from complete! It needs more tuning of the coils to overcome the WFC...

What comes to mind is that the chokes used here are too big for the secondary to fully charged to get 99% electron inhibiting, what Seb explains.

What now is needed are more experimenters duplicating this phenomenon!

Cheers!!!!

Br,
Webmug

Above is a "Damped Oscillator".

Index
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waves/node8.html
Transient Oscillator Response
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waves/node14.html

(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11998)

Question:
What will happen when we force a "Critically Damped Oscillator" near resonance?

(http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/images/oscda12.gif)

Is this the PFN part?
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1457.msg23957.html#msg23957

Br,
Webmug
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Re: THE V.I.C.
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2012, 17:04:58 pm »
Looks good!

I am still looking for the theory behind all this.
Is this just an amp restricting thing?


Steve