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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #80 on: August 14, 2012, 18:15:53 pm »
Nothing like the right tool for the job...

I took the original motor remained from the other project and the parts i took off from another and made for me a winding machine... with a car battery and some resistors i can vary the speed and than coil fast enough to don't get bored...

I took 30min to make 800 turns secondary that was missing at my glass fabric (fiber glass?)  vic...

i'm going to test  my theory now...

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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #81 on: August 14, 2012, 18:42:48 pm »
where are these setups that shows voltage across tap water using 3 transformers? Nobody has shown me id like to see proof that potential is there. But still it is important to me the core material because the choke can resonate on its own with that core where using 3 transformers would create other dislike frequencies compared to 1 core.

so far so good Stevie...

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unipolar?
« Reply #82 on: May 15, 2015, 22:05:06 pm »
What about the word unipolar?

i was wandering...

What if he meant one pole?

I was thinking about the electric fields that could be present when charging the water cell to several kilovolts and what would they do to the molecules and ions present... as stan said study of the movement and deflections of the electrons... and i found that if the system would be brought to a net positive charge there should be less electrons on the negative plate as a consequence of that..  as per stan words

The resistor 60 of FIGS. 1 and 5, connected between the exciter plate having the negative voltage applied thereto and ground is an effective current limiter/electron inhibiter. In simple terms the restriction to current flow to the negative plate is a restriction to the flow of current between the pair of plate exciters. There can be no electron leakage from the negative potential plate exciter if there are no electrons to leak.

 
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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #83 on: May 17, 2015, 20:34:12 pm »
Its just like the bedini motor pulses. Learn how to unipolar pulse it and you`re good.

(http://s27.postimg.org/a79z30g7n/step.jpg) (not my scope shot) (huge hho)
This the frequency doubling.

(http://s22.postimg.org/dq8h6eovl/IMG_2399.jpg) (my scope shot) (few hho need to clean this signal)



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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #84 on: May 17, 2015, 23:24:13 pm »
Its just like the bedini motor pulses. Learn how to unipolar pulse it and you`re good.

(http://s27.postimg.org/a79z30g7n/step.jpg) (not my scope shot) (huge hho)
This the frequency doubling.

(http://s22.postimg.org/dq8h6eovl/IMG_2399.jpg) (my scope shot) (few hho need to clean this signal)

But from who is that hugh hho scopeshot then?
Any measurements known on power vs hho output?

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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #85 on: May 18, 2015, 10:05:07 am »
i don't think you grab the idea... i'm talking about the electric fields from the electric potential...

if a first source charge is applied inside, the metal of the outer tube will create an image charge.. referenced to it... so its measurable..

if the outer tube is not connected to nothing what happens is that it will lose or gain charge depending on the initial condition but this charge is limited

for example if we keep adding positive inside its taking electrons out of the system... so the outer tube will become more positive since the charged particles are forced by the electric fields towards this electrode. it can even lend some electrons but at a point this situation must stop.

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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #86 on: May 18, 2015, 10:27:13 am »
i try to understand...
Electrons only flow when circuit is closed.
Only if there is a difference in potential....difference in amount of of electrons..
Water can act as ground, ill guess
Is that what you mean?

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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #87 on: May 18, 2015, 11:16:54 am »
not exactly

the question is... how far does a charge is far enough

how long an electric field reach

in water much farther

i mean if you put a charge in one electrode facing other it does not matter if the other is connected to something in order to be a difference in potential between the two. however if you charge both with the same voltage there will be no voltage between them...

in the first case you get an electric field and in the case if water is there between it has some ions that wants to move because of that..

the effect is not good because the electrons are attracted toward the positive killing the high voltage potential... however this is limited to the point where the cell has attained net imbalance..  however as we expect gas to come out of water this charge can fly away..so theres anyway still be some milliamps of leakage..

i think meyer used at least a pair of tubular cells one for the positive side and one for the negative side... separated by the chokes

than the idea is that the system charges and when the field collapse the secondary open up the circuit so that the opposite potential is applied to the respective electrode while preventing electron flow since the chokes are connected between the two cells in my view, the diode with help of secondary won't allow the collapse voltage of the choke to generate current because is kind of open circuit so the choke collapse high voltage pulse to compensate .. its kind of place the opposite charge only during intervals where no electron or minimal current can flow..

the problem is we want no current! or very  very low... but the idea is very wise to have two chokes of same size... or secondary and choke same size.. because the collapse will be similar and so more voltage can be reach with less current

maybe it does not matter... but the idea is if i want the chokes to collapse i need the secondary to do it first and harder! the bigger you are the slower you fall... perhaps that long coils is to let the water feel the electric field more time..
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