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##### Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2012, 19:08:26 pm »
hello Webmug

Probably diode is not response at higher frequencies...

I also did many tests like this ... and got those odd behaviors...

The fact is that a coil will generate an opposite voltage to the source voltage as it fights against the souce to not allow current to flow (reactance), the magnetic polarity of a coil does not change if its pulsed it only increase and decreases..

When it is increasing it is creating a voltage that is opposite to the source, when the magnetic field is decreasing it than changes voltage polarity to the same polarity of the source, so doubling the voltage and frequency generating unipolar like wave form...

How a resistor work? if you add two in series, won't one reduce the effective voltage to the other? It does so because it create an opposite voltage to the source.. The inductor does the same but after the pulse ends than the voltage polarity reverses generating a pulse of same polarity as the source...

Is not  that you can read this unipolar pulse at your oscilloscope, like stan drawings so beautiful... specially if you are than restricting amps, he might have draw this way to further confuse people... HE even call it analog voltage. I mean that because the time is not the same for the two cycles...

As i said the gate control the number of pulses going to the water so the amp leakage and repetition rate... the energy of the collapsing field..

The unipolar pulses is not the big deal, you see it? what does matter is what they really are.

This is all my understanding, i didn't constructed this way yet...

hello TS

Yes he was talking about the EEC, anyway i guess is too related to be ignored..

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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2012, 19:24:32 pm »
About the tune in the dielectric proprieties is used in the resonant case, be able to drop energy into the cell in a greater amount... For that the diode is not present... not in that position...

The 8xxa i guess is not using resonance at all..

There are other means for rectifying current without any diodes.. while still allowing ac to flow..

what kind of switch can withstand 40kv?

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##### Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2012, 19:29:03 pm »
hello Webmug

Probably diode is not response at higher frequencies...

I also did many tests like this ... and got those odd behaviors...

The fact is that a coil will generate an opposite voltage to the source voltage as it fights against the souce to not allow current to flow (reactance), the magnetic polarity of a coil does not change if its pulsed it only increase and decreases..

When it is increasing it is creating a voltage that is opposite to the source, when the magnetic field is decreasing it than changes voltage polarity to the same polarity of the source, so doubling the voltage and frequency generating unipolar like wave form...

How a resistor work? if you add two in series, won't one reduce the effective voltage to the other? It does so because it create an opposite voltage to the source.. The inductor does the same but after the pulse ends than the voltage polarity reverses generating a pulse of same polarity as the source...

Is not  that you can read this unipolar pulse at your oscilloscope, like stan drawings so beautiful... specially if you are than restricting amps, he might have draw this way to further confuse people... HE even call it analog voltage. I mean that because the time is not the same for the two cycles...

As i said the gate control the number of pulses going to the water so the amp leakage and repetition rate... the energy of the collapsing field..

The unipolar pulses is not the big deal, you see it? what does matter is what they really are.

This is all my understanding, i didn't constructed this way yet...

hello TS

Yes he was talking about the EEC, anyway i guess is too related to be ignored..

So it are vector calculations. Phase shifts etc. Problem are the real components R, C and L on resonance what gives phase shift never reaching 90o -90o and 180o.

Proper measurements at the VIC with a scope are obvious very difficult, probably not visible.

About the tune in the dielectric proprieties is used in the resonant case, be able to drop energy into the cell in a greater amount... For that the diode is not present... not in that position...

The 8xxa i guess is not using resonance at all..

There are other means for rectifying current without any diodes.. while still allowing ac to flow..

what kind of switch can withstand 40kv?

Yes, the 8xxa is not using resonance.

Inductor can choke it to a amount, but this 40kV is then the Injector VIC I try to build the 2-3kV resonance cell here, Seb.

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##### Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2012, 19:41:51 pm »
This voltage levels are not applied for long time is just a bang during amp restriction!

This is the big difference, if you apply 40kv to a load it will not develop 40kv if ohms law is not obeyed.. But during amp restriction, this stress is propagated.

You could think of it like a flyback like effect, while is not a flyback at all...

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« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2012, 19:54:24 pm »
This voltage levels are not applied for long time is just a bang during amp restriction!

This is the big difference, if you apply 40kv to a load it will not develop 40kv if ohms law is not obeyed.. But during amp restriction, this stress is propagated.

You could think of it like a flyback like effect, while is not a flyback at all...

Hmm, interesting,

Should the BANG have more effect when the water is polarized and starting to charge ?

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##### Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2012, 20:07:27 pm »
Examples charging the inductor with AC.

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##### Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2012, 20:12:07 pm »
Yes, i would guess.. Thats why i think the cell is charged than bang.

The bang is a consequence of amp restriction. spike... or other names also apply...