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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2012, 17:10:37 pm »
Well the chokes might be there to mitigate the killing of the primary bemf. by positive feeding it back while current is drew from secondary...

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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2012, 17:15:11 pm »
So what are you trying to said here in your opening post?

When 50% pulse is applied to the secondary coil on self resonance your pulse frequency is in phase with secondary frequency.
The ON pulse is when you charge the coil and OFF pulse discharge the coil.

Do you have 180 degrees out of phase from the secondary B- and B+ and have double frequency or also from the chokes...??
Diode prevents shorting the secondary B+ and prevents WFC discharge at the same time.

Also current restricting is done with the magnetic field...so the chokes are choking off the current when they have max reactance Xl?
When the SRF inductor Xc = Xl then you have only R (70 ohm left) this is not much? Part must be Xl or Xc ?

Thanks for the response!  ;)

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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2012, 17:49:51 pm »
What I'm trying to say here is:

When a pulse is applied to the primary the secondary coil will made a current flow thru the diode in the chokes, in the choke a contrary voltage is created instantly to restrict the current which decays with time as current increases. The ON pulse is when you charge the coil and OFF pulse discharge the coil and while doing this the voltage at the choke reverses thereto applying another pulse of same polarity to the load.

Diode prevents WFC discharge at that same time that eliminate contrary voltage applied.

What stan mean by restrict amps and allow voltage to make the work in a dead short condition cAN BE TRANSLATED TO

MANIPULATE THE TIME CONSTANT BY RESISTANCE TUNING TO ALLOW THE MAGNETIC FIELD TO COLLAPSES FAST ENOUGH TO DEVELOP HIGH ELECTRICAL STRESS AT THE DISCONTINUITY CAPACITOR ELECTROCHEMICAL CELL.

THIS HIGH STRESS BANGS THE COLLECTED IONS AT ELECTRODES TO RELEASE MOMENTARILY THEIR ELECTRONS AND REFORM AS OTHER MORE USEFUL MOLECULES.

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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2012, 19:39:00 pm »
If this is so, the chokes are charged in an instant (pulse ON 50%) through the diode and in the (OFF pulse 50%) the choke discharged and create a double pulse yes.

But when does this happen, what are the choke properties when it is charged in one pulse and how does this relate to the negative choke. The negative choke is connected by means of the magnetic field of the core.

You said it yourself, the diode blocks the negative halve of the sinusoid when the collapse is of the choke in the (OFF pulse 50%).

Are the chokes on the same resonance frequency as the secondary coil or on double frequency? If the chokes have the same SRF as the secondary then it is in phase (charge on ON pulse 50% and discharge on OFF pulse 50%) and chokes negative halve sinusoid is blocked by the diode (180 phase shift) to prevent a short with the secondary. But now the questions what is the current restriction part of the chokes (SRF is Xl=Xc and R is the resistance left over)...

NOTE from patent:
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Amp leakage is restricted to 1-2 milliamp on resonance, so 2000 to 5000 Voltage potential applied gives E=IZ -> 2000=1 *10^-3 Z -> Z= 2 Mega Ohms or Z = 2.5 Mega Ohms total electrical Impedance at the chokes on typical 5kHz frequency.

Z = R + jX

Can we translate this into a practical setup, what do we have to build first if we want the VIC as a reality what Stan explains in all his patents ?

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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2012, 19:46:28 pm »
right

If the chokes are said to be bifilar they are coupled so there is only one frequency. The tuned coil is there to create a negative voltage zone... It is said to be tuned so maybe a capacitor in parallel would help...


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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2012, 20:06:17 pm »
The 'Tuned' negative choke gives a normal AC voltage swing just like the positive choke except it is lower  :P and 180o out of phase. Seen from the WFC it is just pulsating voltage potential and charges the water molecules. This gives the linear step-charging result (on resonance).

When the voltages are opposite but equal at the WFC it restricts always the current then ?  ???

Another thing: why are the choke coils close placed on the core on the same side ?

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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2012, 20:14:37 pm »
right

If the chokes are said to be bifilar they are coupled so there is only one frequency. The tuned coil is there to create a negative voltage zone... It is said to be tuned so maybe a capacitor in parallel would help...

I'm only talking about the resonance WFC VIC and not the Injector VIC here so the chokes are separate coils wound on the same core in same direction.

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Re: Amp restriction mechanism frequency doubling
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2012, 21:27:14 pm »
Hi,

Problem is that the VIC uses AC (from secondary on resonance).

Can you explain this scope shot what I took?

The secondary lead B+ and B- are connected to two scope channels A en B. Look what the voltage is on both channels. A-B is also visible.
The secondary is on SRF (self resonance frequency). Primary was pulsed 50% square wave 12V. They are 180 out of phase????? Scope channels are not inverted.

What happens when you connect a choke at B- and/or B+ tuned on this frequency? Give more voltage right?

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Solved: got tiny wire hanging out B-. Now the voltages are equal. Just to said how sensitive the coils are!!!!!  ???

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