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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2016, 22:24:04 pm »
I measure the resistance of the water in the cell with straight DC and calculate actual resistance using V=IR according to Ronnie's instruction.

Then, impedance match the coils to be equal to the water resistance of a single cell.  Remember the transmission line?

I will only refer to information that Ronnie has made public.  But even as he said, he has given enough information now for people who know what is going on to be able to do it.  My own work hasn't deviated much from the direction of Ronnie's and I have made adjustments to mine based on what I have learned from his information.

There isn't enough information, on how the Re of 78.54 (23dC) is applied in the formula using the 4 inch WFC dimension.

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What do you mean not enough information?  The formula is in Stan's documents.  My WC isn't 78.54ohm although it appears Stan's was.

The specific applied voltage is irrelevant.  The formula V=IR still applies.  The voltage and current will have specific values when measured.  The only element missing is resistance which can be calculated on the formula.  If you must know, my current was 0.025mA and my voltage was 12V when I took the measurement.

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2016, 22:29:15 pm »
If the coils and wc reactance is tuned to be the same on both sides at a given frequency they will cancel out at resonance leaving pure ohmic resistance.

Wrong! The coils impedance is the Zt and are the reactances where the voltage is produced and not cancel out both side leaving pure ohmic resistance. Total impedance Z is the reactance plus the pure coils Resistance. The same voltage is applied from both chokes connected opposite in polarities B+,B- to the Array.

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2016, 22:38:10 pm »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resonance

At resonance, the series impedance of the two elements is at a minimum and the parallel impedance is at maximum.

Ergo, at resonance we are left with the ohmic resistance of the water and wire.

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2016, 22:56:11 pm »
this is absolutely correct... but is also true that if you have the reactance = to the resistance you have a critically dumped system not resonance..

this is one thing that is also plausible... as we cancell the resonance the vic would be able to apply any frequency to water without impedance changing with frequency...

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2016, 23:43:12 pm »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resonance

At resonance, the series impedance of the two elements is at a minimum and the parallel impedance is at maximum.

Ergo, at resonance we are left with the ohmic resistance of the water and wire.

Wrong, again! Impedance is maximum so is voltage!

Hint: Meyers VIC restricts current E=IZ
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-6/q-and-bandwidth-resonant-circuit/

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2016, 23:54:05 pm »
I measure the resistance of the water in the cell with straight DC and calculate actual resistance using V=IR according to Ronnie's instruction.

Then, impedance match the coils to be equal to the water resistance of a single cell.  Remember the transmission line?

I will only refer to information that Ronnie has made public.  But even as he said, he has given enough information now for people who know what is going on to be able to do it.  My own work hasn't deviated much from the direction of Ronnie's and I have made adjustments to mine based on what I have learned from his information.

There isn't enough information, on how the Re of 78.54 (23dC) is applied in the formula using the 4 inch WFC dimension.

~webmug

What do you mean not enough information?  The formula is in Stan's documents.  My WC isn't 78.54ohm although it appears Stan's was.

The specific applied voltage is irrelevant.  The formula V=IR still applies.  The voltage and current will have specific values when measured.  The only element missing is resistance which can be calculated on the formula.  If you must know, my current was 0.025mA and my voltage was 12V when I took the measurement.

So why isnt your wfc 78.45 ohms? Did you build it with the same specs as meyer (resonance cell)?

If you have build it like meyer, you see its not 78.54 ohms...

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2016, 00:27:45 am »
It's not to same spec as Meyer obviously.  I've adjusted my parameters accordingly.

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Re: Reactance/Resistance/Impedance VIC Coils - Correction 2016-01-14
« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2016, 00:44:34 am »
Obviously, having been away from this research for a few months, I'm a little rusty.  So, I think I'll just shut up for a bit and review my notes.

Thank you for adjusting my thinking.