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Re: Theory - Low Resistance is Preferable in VIC Coils [CORRECTED]
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2013, 23:39:06 pm »

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Excellent verification adys15!!   But more specifically, the WFC becomes more able to exercise resistance against the choke, the choke having less resistance due to higher surface area (skin effect) allowing a greater voltage potential to become established. 

I'm assuming you did the same number of turns with a similar core in both cases.  Also, did you try reversing polarities on the chokes?  I find that sometimes you'll get different results just by reversing the wires.

Thanks!!

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Yea,a lot of bif winding by hand today... i used the same core wounded just end to end(it is a mini multicoil vic).I usualy hook the chokes out of phase.i tried in phase but it draws more curent from primary and it loses voltage a bit...The thin wire chokes i did not try them in phase...I put even a larger wire size 0.8mm,but acted worse like 0.4mm(the diference with 0.8 is that was on top of the secoundary,and the 0.4was  stuck to the core...then on top primary,,and last layer secoundary...)I also tried bif chokes from speaker wire and got beter voltage..18v...I still dont get why i get over 1000v out of the secoundary on all freq ranges.More setups tomorow...
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Re: Theory - Low Resistance is Preferable in VIC Coils [CORRECTED]
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2013, 00:21:48 am »

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Excellent verification adys15!!   But more specifically, the WFC becomes more able to exercise resistance against the choke, the choke having less resistance due to higher surface area (skin effect) allowing a greater voltage potential to become established. 

I'm assuming you did the same number of turns with a similar core in both cases.  Also, did you try reversing polarities on the chokes?  I find that sometimes you'll get different results just by reversing the wires.

Thanks!!

TS
Yea,a lot of bif winding by hand today... i used the same core wounded just end to end(it is a mini multicoil vic).I usualy hook the chokes out of phase.i tried in phase but it draws more curent from primary and it loses voltage a bit...The thin wire chokes i did not try them in phase...I put even a larger wire size 0.8mm,but acted worse like 0.4mm(the diference with 0.8 is that was on top of the secoundary,and the 0.4was  stuck to the core...then on top primary,,and last layer secoundary...)I also tried bif chokes from speaker wire and got beter voltage..18v...I still dont get why i get over 1000v out of the secoundary on all freq ranges.More setups tomorow...

My experience suggests the coil layering is important also.   The primary should always be on top of the secondary for the best power transfer.  Not sure whether secondary is better over chokes or not or if it even matters.  I'm also not experienced with the concepts of mutual induction.  Speaker wire can be even better as the multiple strand provides more surface area, again skin effect.  I haven't tried that large a variation of wire types yet, but I'm very pleased to hear your results.  I think I may try using house wire 16gauge for a couple chokes just to see what happens.

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Re: Theory - Low Resistance is Preferable in VIC Coils [CORRECTED]
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2013, 00:28:49 am »
Incidentally, I must state that this theory did not originate with me.  Although I have it in my list as I've been mulling how it applies to Meyers circuit, I became aware of it through Charles Seiler (aka supermuble).  Credit where credit due.

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Re: Theory - Low Resistance is Preferable in VIC Coils [CORRECTED]
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2013, 00:43:56 am »
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My experience suggests the coil layering is important also.   The primary should always be on top of the secondary for the best power transfer. 
TS
I did not try that, Stan had the primary between the sec and chokes,and i think that is more eficient because the 2 layers are pulsed'' 2 at once...Thanks fot sharing your thoughts.Cheers!
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Re: Theory - Low Resistance is Preferable in VIC Coils [CORRECTED]
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2013, 01:08:01 am »
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My experience suggests the coil layering is important also.   The primary should always be on top of the secondary for the best power transfer. 
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I did not try that, Stan had the primary between the sec and chokes,and i think that is more eficient because the 2 layers are pulsed'' 2 at once...Thanks fot sharing your thoughts.Cheers!

If you're doing the same core as him, I would agree.  I'm winding all around same bobbin with air core.  Less resistance that way.

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« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2013, 02:43:18 am »
For a given applied voltage smaller inductances will provide more energy per discharge or greater frequency to be applied...

The step charging effect occurs because same charge per collapse is applied to a charging capacitor which changes the time of the discharge as its charged causing step increasing potential to be applied ...


The current is restricted because its limited to the current available in chokes and distributed capacitance...
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Re: FACT - Low Resistance is Preferable in VIC Coils [CONFIRMED]
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2013, 20:56:10 pm »
2013-02-09:  I have measured the resistance of all the coils I have made to date and can confirm that the only ones I have had any measure of success with have a very low resistance value.  This along with adys15 results leads me to conclude that this is a fact.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2426.msg24546.html#msg24546

My lower resistance chokes had a value usually of 8 ohm or less.  My chokes with higher resistance were as high as 125k ohm and did not function well at all (ie. little to no gas produced).

Charles Seiler in the past had indicated to me that a resistance of 4 to 6 ohm was ideal for use with his circuit.  I had tried a 400 ohm with his circuit which did not work.   When I made my own with very low resistance it worked.

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Re: Theory - Low Resistance is Preferable in VIC Coils [CORRECTED]
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2016, 15:30:43 pm »
I just wanna jump in this thread to mention that all Stan's research is based on the concept and testing that can be found in the documents "Electrically Induced Explosions in Water" which can be found here on my website http://www.globalkast.com/docs/Electrically_Induced_Explosions_in_Water.zip

Basically it says the cell has a very low resistance, usually less than 10 ohms. From what I can tell, they are charging the inductors and then allowing the stored energy to discharge into the cell.

Another thing you can also say is that the Secondary is in Parallel with the cell, but the Inductors are in Series with the cell...kinda like a series-parallel circuit.

New information on this.  According to Gpssonar, we find the resistance of the water cell simply using V=IR.  In my case, my entire water cell is 480ohm.

This changes everything posted in this thread.  Low impedance coils are not the answer.