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Knowledge Base (Last Update 2015-04-11)
« on: June 12, 2012, 05:31:22 am »
This topic is exclusively reserved for specific facts I have discovered or been able to prove.  I'm hoping that 1 + 1 will eventually lead to HHO.

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  • TSKB00001 - Blocking diode in a circuit with a capacitor and a DC power source causes the capacitor to charge with double the DC source's voltage.  This does not happen with an AC power source unless the power is rectified.
  • TSKB00002 - A LC still resonates when powered by a DC power source, such as a battery, whether in parallel or in series.  This does not apply if there are rectifiers in the circuit or if the DC power is a result of rectified AC.
  • TSKB00003 - A capacitor will resonate with its DC power source.  This does not apply if there are rectifiers in the circuit or if the DC power is a result of rectified AC.
  • TSKB00004 - Prime the water cell with a DC charge prior to resonating.http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2409.msg22758.html#msg22758
  • TSKB00005 - I have worked out a few things in the simulator with respect to specific inductor values to cause resonance in the VIC.http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2409.msg22822.html#msg22822
  • TSKB00008 - Higher CAP Charge with Gated Pulse Demonstrated.  http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2409.msg24070.html#msg24070
  • TSKB00010 - Coil Layer Winding Order.  http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2409.msg24575.html#msg24575
  • TSKB00011 - WFC gap and alignment need to be correct for proper capacitance value in water. http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2959.msg27479.html#msg27479
  • « Last Edit: December 03, 2018, 14:04:59 pm by timeshell »

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    Important VIC Facts (Without Blocking Diode)
    « Reply #1 on: June 25, 2012, 04:02:29 am »
    1.  The main secondary of the transformer must have an inductance that is equal to or less than the inductance of the total inductance of the chokes as defined in 2a) and 2d).  Otherwise resonance will be impaired.

    2.  a) If the chokes are separate from the transformer core, then the calculated resonant frequency must be calculated using the total inductance of both chokes together.
         b) If the chokes are wound on a transformer core but separate from the step up transformer, then the calculated resonant frequency must be calculated with 2X the total inductance of both chokes together.  In my simulation, both chokes were of equal value.
         c)  I am unable to simulate a transformer with multiple secondaries but by theory assume that if the chokes are wound on the same core as the step up transformer that b) still applies.
         d)  In the case of b) and c), the secondary maximum inductance can still be calculated as if it were applied to a).

    I have proven all the above in simulations exactly as Meyer's schematic shows, but without the blocking diode.  I have a source voltage of 14V and I get charges on 20nF cap at 4kV at resonance.  I haven't figured out how the diode fits in yet as when I put it in the circuit the max charge on the cap drops to 110V.

    Circuit Spec
    Capacitor (Water Cell)
    1x   Capacitance (F): 25.666n
    Square Wave Source
    1x   Amplitude (V): 14, Waveform: Square Wave, Frequency (Hz): 1.047156k, DC Offset: 0, Phase Offset (deg): 0, Duty Cycle (%): 50.0
    Transformer
    (VIC Chokes)                1x   Primary Inductance (H): 225m, Coupling Coefficient (%): 99.9, Num Primary Windings: 400, Num Secondary Windings: 400
    (Step up Transformer)  1x   Primary Inductance (H): 800m, Coupling Coefficient (%): 99.9, Num Primary Windings: 100, Num Secondary Windings: 400

    TS
    « Last Edit: June 25, 2012, 23:29:00 pm by timeshell »

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    Higher CAP Charge with Gated Pulse Demonstrated
    « Reply #2 on: December 12, 2012, 23:20:24 pm »
    In a simulation I have been able to prove that the gated pulse at resonance would actually charge a capacitor with a higher charge.

    See attached image.  There is a switch beside a relay that is being pulsed at 200hz.  The resonant frequency of this circuit is 1.047khz.  When the switch to activate the gate is off (closed), the max charge of the cap is about 50V.  When the switch is opened, allowing it to gate, the cap charges to over 80V.  The step up transformer is a 1:4 and the source voltage is 14V.  Changing the duty cycle on the gate up to 90% increases the cap charge to up to 110V.

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    Coil Layer Winding Order
    « Reply #3 on: February 10, 2013, 17:45:48 pm »
    If winding a VIC on a single bobbin, this is the order to wind in.

    Bottom layer:  Secondary
    Middle layer:  Primary
    Top layer:  chokes


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    Dielectric Constant Definition
    « Reply #4 on: March 15, 2013, 15:37:32 pm »
    Definition: (e) (1) That property of a dielectric which determines the electrostatic energy stored per unit volume for unit potential. (2) The ratio of the capacity of a condenser having a dielectric material between the plates to that of the same condenser when the dielectric is replaced by a vacuum. Also known as PERMITTIVITY and SPECIFIC INDUCTIVE CAPACITY. It is expressed as indicated in attached image.  Taken from http://composite.about.com/library/glossary/d/bldef-d1618.htm


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    TSKB00011 - WFC Gap AND Alignment must be correct
    « Reply #5 on: April 11, 2015, 15:25:26 pm »
    Just a note about WFC made from tubes.  Mind the spacing AND the alignment.  Capacitance goes up the closer the electrodes are to each other.  This particularly includes tubes in water where the inner tube is out of alignment and may be closer to one side of the inside of the outer tube than the other.  You can see your capacitance with water as dielectric as much as triple if you do not have correct alignment.  They should be centered as much as possible.  It is best to measure the capacitance of each tube pair individually and make adjustments to your alignment as needed.  I drilled and tapped holes in my tubes and use nylon screws to adjust the centre point of the tubes.
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    Re: TSKB00011 - WFC Gap AND Alignment must be correct
    « Reply #6 on: April 17, 2015, 14:45:07 pm »
    Just a note about WFC made from tubes.  Mind the spacing AND the alignment.  Capacitance goes up the closer the electrodes are to each other.  This particularly includes tubes in water where the inner tube is out of alignment and may be closer to one side of the inside of the outer tube than the other.  You can see your capacitance with water as dielectric as much as triple if you do not have correct alignment.  They should be centered as much as possible.  It is best to measure the capacitance of each tube pair individually and make adjustments to your alignment as needed.  I drilled and tapped holes in my tubes and use nylon screws to adjust the centre point of the tubes.

    Thanks for sharing, TS.
    I use delrin rings at the bottom for adjusting the height of the inner tube. Works like a charm  ;)

    Steve


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    Re: TSKB00011 - WFC Gap AND Alignment must be correct
    « Reply #7 on: April 17, 2015, 15:43:11 pm »
    Just a note about WFC made from tubes.  Mind the spacing AND the alignment.  Capacitance goes up the closer the electrodes are to each other.  This particularly includes tubes in water where the inner tube is out of alignment and may be closer to one side of the inside of the outer tube than the other.  You can see your capacitance with water as dielectric as much as triple if you do not have correct alignment.  They should be centered as much as possible.  It is best to measure the capacitance of each tube pair individually and make adjustments to your alignment as needed.  I drilled and tapped holes in my tubes and use nylon screws to adjust the centre point of the tubes.

    Thanks for sharing, TS.
    I use delrin rings at the bottom for adjusting the height of the inner tube. Works like a charm  ;)

    Steve

    It's not just the height that I was concerned about although that also makes a difference.  It was the actual inner spacing between the tubes.  I'm working with limited resources at the moment also...