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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2011, 04:04:42 am »
I think we need to get some gas production before we figure that one out. But Stan said you can simply control your input voltage between 0 and 12 volts to control gas flow. Also he had a sensor monitoring the pressure of the cell and I believe if it got to high, production is slowed but maybe someone else can say for sure

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2011, 10:38:56 am »
Hello Dave,

Yes, he said he could simply vary the gas production changing or the Dc voltage or the gated pulses... In his circuit there is a segment where it receive a logic signal from the pressure sensor, so when the pressure reach a certain value the circuit simply turn off, until the gas is demanded. 

wfchobby,

I have a circuit similar to what meyer patented, where i can control the pulses sent to the pll. so i can vary the duty cycle 0-100% and frequency of the gate, i also have a variac, so i can vary the input pulses voltage..

 

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2012, 17:18:11 pm »
Tony,I basically agree with most of what you stated.As for resonance taking place between choke 1 and the cell is where I see it differently.Yes resonance will take place there,but most of the resonance is in choke coil 1 itself.The capacitance in the choke is far greater than the cell.When you tune into resonance,disconnect the cell and see what happens.You will see a voltage drop and the frequency will need to be reajusted to get it back.This happens because you removed the small capacitance of the cell,but it will still resonate without the cell.

Choke 2 is needed to give you the the opposite voltage potential of choke 1.And I do believe you are onto something with the 180 degree phase shift for choke 2.I have never thought about putting the negative choke out of phase.You lit a light bulb in my head over that one.I will be testing that out when I get my new coils wound.
Don

Removing the capacitor and leaving the circuit open changes the capacitance but the capacitance is still there from the wire gap,  just a lot smaller.  That is why it is necessary to retune the frequency.

TS
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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2012, 21:20:49 pm »
Yes, man this is the idea. well 12+12-12 = 12 The wfc receive the positive pulse and later it receive a negative pulse... when positive the molecules get exited by the polarization process, the bound ceases to exist and during the negative pulses the ions regain the electrons and exit as gas.

Read this good explanation of the water kelvin dropper. http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00908.htm

I don't want to impose heavily here, but in short Sebosasto, Tony is right.  What all your diagrams are doing is confusing what is a very straightforward diagram made by Meyers. You are trying to make Meyers designs fit your own personal theory in this case instead of making your theory fit Meyers design.

My 2 cents.

TS

Edit:  I now believe I was wrong in saying the above.  Sebofasto's explanation is correct when you consider opposing coil polarities.
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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2012, 23:55:31 pm »
I was simply reading meyer diagrams and transcribing for you. I didn't invented or wanted to tell you i'm right and others not... I only analysed the polarities of the coils... Please prove wrong.

The secondary in those diagrams add to the tx4 choke and the tx5 choke subtracts the exact amount the tx4 added so turns to zero the tx chokes interaction, stan says its a resonant charging choke ..., you need to see the direction of the wire not the bobbin drawing direction...  whats the big deal? isn't it bifilar?

Would you apply say 3kv between the two wires of a bifilar choke? I don't think so... it burns...

If you have dc in a coil with a core being pulsed you get it rapidly into saturation, so the bifilar is exactly to cancel the dc magnetic field to avoid core saturation...

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2012, 18:27:00 pm »
Yea if you look at Stan's VIC transformer diagrams he shows the chokes being connected so that the voltages will be 180 degrees out of phase from each other.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/StanMeyer_5VIC_fig3-23.jpg)
Hi,

Made this updated diagram visualizing the 180 degrees out of phase.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2205.0;attach=11450)

Br,
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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #54 on: September 01, 2012, 04:53:40 am »
From the point of view of my theory, this vic can work too... but in a different manner... while the pulse is on

secondary and tx4 the coil after the diodes are additive so the tx5 coil must be big enough for choking both voltages sumed and be able to turn off the diode to allow the field to collapse...  the wave forms are not like this nor are the voltages you represent.. but this are only my opinion,,, \


I mean let the secondary send 100v than the choke1 additive is another 100 than the choke 2 should have more than 200 volts to be able to aways restrict the amps..

I mean you never allow amp influx thru the water... or something like minimum ... there should be no potential difference.. at least not due to conduction...


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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values
« Reply #55 on: September 01, 2012, 10:21:06 am »
Yea if you look at Stan's VIC transformer diagrams he shows the chokes being connected so that the voltages will be 180 degrees out of phase from each other.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/StanMeyer_5VIC_fig3-23.jpg)
Hi,

Made this updated diagram visualizing the 180 degrees out of phase.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2205.0;attach=11450)

Br,
Webmug

Nice work!
Good theory.
Can you make this work?

Steve