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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2011, 20:09:54 pm »
@ Steve & Lektor.

Shouldn't a reply regarding ionizing hydrogen and like be placed with "Start here your topics on the water injector & ambient air-gas processor system" or a similar tread since this tread is in regards to what is happening within the electronics and water molecule??
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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2011, 21:49:14 pm »
I was thinking along those same lines, only adding in a multi-refracting surface in the center to scatter the laser throughout the tube.
 
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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2011, 22:07:21 pm »
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Well, you could read Meyers patents in regards to EGR and Gas Processor and then read the PDF I wrote located in Reply #35 - page 8, that should help you understand what it is.
hmm you are right Iontruster. This might not be the right place to post this "method" for photo dissociation but neither I think that it's fits to "water injector" or "ambient air-gas processor". I understood your quoted post in that thread as if the purpose of the ambient air gas processor is to add ambient air to the h2 to produce some kind auf natural gas (eureka). My post is rather a general suggestion on how to produce HH or H+ (if it works). And photo dissociation was one point Tony Woodside mentioned.  Well never mind.

@askemeHHOw: I thought the same but on the other hand I thought - does it makes sense. It makes it bit more complicated. The laser produces some amount of photons and whether it is scattered or used as a beam shouldn't make any difference. The beam will travel with the speed of light and hit many electrons. Also it would be good to check how much of a difference it would make to use UV lamps or simple LEDs.

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2011, 22:49:14 pm »
@ Lektor.

I understand you'r line of thinking. But HH is a non chemical title. It is either in a molecular state as H2, or it is an ion or in its atomic state 1H. In its atomic state, the net charge will be zero as there are equal amount of protons, neutrons and electrons (1). If the atom becomes charged up with an added electron, it will become an anion - H- - If it loses its electron it will become H+ (as in a proton) a cation. Now, one more important thing. In order for a atom or ion to become charged or exist in a higher energy state, we need to add energy. The same energy you add will be released - nothing gained or lost in that sense, besides when we look at heat conversion, when some of the energy is converted into photons (visible spectrum and non visible spectrum - UV and IR) due to electron and molecular friction, then some of this added energy will be lost. Hydrogen ions is very short - I do not remember the exact timeline, but non the less quit short. If you manage - IF - to capture all the energy released from an excited ion (which by the way is only theoretical) you will have 100% efficiency and no system have 100% efficiency, there are always losses. So, in order to use a hydrogen ion in a higher state releasing the extra energy, you would need to do that in close environment to the event where you want that energy - aka. combustion cylinder. But no such engine exist since you do not gain anything even if you have moments of energy bursts, the over all action will be a loss in energy.

Now... I want everyone to consider the options and why things are sett in motion. Ponder the concept of creating a fuel molecule in line with my description and also what Meyer is talking about. Why he pumped up the atoms in his gas processor. Really ponder it. I am not talking about whether pulsed light should be used or LED's should be used - but look at one word in Meyers patent - "Coherent" which means together. In regards to modern technology, we know that LED's have become brighter - or have a higher candela number (The candela is the SI base unit of luminous intensity). Now also consider that in a Gas Processor you want the photons widely spread, hitting as much electrons as possible- as long as you are using photons within the absorption line of hydrogen, which type will interact best - spread or focused? Using the incoming air as LASING material, wouldn't that create a situation where focused light can be produced within the chambers or partial LASER?

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2011, 23:51:04 pm »
Just as Puharich states the reason for the water splitting, "It is assumed that this dispersion is the result of phonon vibration between the four vertices of the tetrahedron water molecule...two sets of lone pair electrons and two hydrogen protons."

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2011, 07:31:47 am »
I made a quick drawing with power point.

The laser beam gets reflected many times in this pipe increasing the amount of photons colliding with elektrons.  The diameter of the pipe can be larger than the diameter of the hose to slow down the gas through the pipe and increasing the duration of the gas in the pipe -> more collisions -> more HH, H+.
 
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2121.0;attach=9137)


Sorry to be the rain on your parade, you have H2 / HH going into your reflective tube? how did you remove the O/O2? i know there is a patent that has the HV sorting of the molecule, but i havn't seen anyone do that yet... also your reflective surface will loose efficiency quickly as you are dealing with water, you need a degree of error to occur in your system, any fluid coming into that reflective tube is going to turn to condensation and if no removed possible marking/rust... Good idea though.

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2011, 11:30:17 am »
Good question, CrazyEwok.

There are now cells that can produce separate H and O.


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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2011, 06:50:18 am »
Very true, your efficiency for gas production goes down though. As far as I know, you need to separate the plates with a physical medium, while still allowing current to flow. I suppose if you had 2x plates at moderate distance (2-3mm) you could place a small opening above each plate, recirculating water via a pump between the 2 plates to keep the gasses separated. you would still have some steam/condensation going up each exit pipe though.


How would having O2 present in your reflective chamber work if you were able to remove any water mist? would it break the O2 down into O- or O+ ? Would the environment turn it into Ozone? If so would this effect the combustion of the gas?