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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #112 on: August 24, 2011, 03:37:04 am »
Hi lads,
a question: In the circuit design of the 8xa board, I notice it relies upon a mains supply, thus are part of the frequencies used in the circuit dependant upon the mains supply frequency?

If so, to construct a circuit design that is run off a vehicle dc supply, what would be suggested as a stable signal/frequency generator ?

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #113 on: August 25, 2011, 21:19:26 pm »
According to Keely the molecule will maintain its integrity (steady state: state of relative harmony ratio 1:1:1) until the ratio of width to length exceeds 1:4 at which point the molecule disrupts or comes apart forming a dipole and a monopole particles. Implying the molecule can not separate into three distinct particles at one time. Because to do so would mean that as they got further and further apart approaching the 1:4 ratio its confines of ratio would be held in strict relativity - i.e., as the molecule stretched the ratios would remain relative to one another. This scenario is interesting in that a molecule could be made to stretch in all three directions artificially. Once it reached a point where all three diameters exceeded the original 1:4 ratio two frequencies could be quickly demodulated such that they instantly revert to the original rates thus leaving one of them at the 4+ ratio. The molecule would instantly disrupt with little apparent energy input. In other words, the molecule could be stimulated until it was in a state of maximum instability and then "nudged" into dissociation with a small tickle of force.

Planck's constant, is a physical constant reflecting the sizes of quanta in quantum mechanics. The Planck constant was first described as the proportionality constant between the energy (E) of a photon and the frequency of its associated electromagnetic wave (?).
The Planck constant is a fixed amount of energy being the difference of energy quantities as measured from orbital shell to orbital shell or from one energy state to another. The Planck constant is the difference between the energy levels. This difference is the same as the interval as spoken of in music.

A semitone is the smallest change of pitch (frequency) used in conventional music and musical notation. Semitones correspond with the individual keys of a tuned piano. A semitone is defined as the "12th root of 2" (1.05946...).   The Golden Ratio (1.61803...) when cubed, almost exactly equals 25 semitones. Therefore the 25th root of a cubed golden ratio (1.05945...) equals 0.99998... semitones. This difference, when accumulated over the entire range of human hearing (about 120 semitones) is less than 3.5/100 of one semitone, and is undetectable by the human ear.

It is assumed the natural progression of discord follows the following pattern of ratios from perfect harmony or equation of forces to the least harmonious or the point of disruption:

Harmony 1:1:1 / 1:1:2 / 1:2:2 / 1:2:3 / 1:3:5 Disruption

The above figures are the natural progression of the Fibonacci spiral and all other life activities resulting from a natural progression of events.
They are intimately connected with the golden ratio, for example the closest rational approximations to the ratio are 2/1, 3/2, 5/3, 8/5, ...


So the ratio Puharich found (also valid for water molecules) was "12th root of 2" and is tightly coupled to Keely's work.

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #114 on: August 27, 2011, 06:19:58 am »
According to Keely the molecule will maintain its integrity (steady state: state of relative harmony ratio 1:1:1) until the ratio of width to length exceeds 1:4 at which point the molecule disrupts or comes apart forming a dipole and a monopole particles. Implying the molecule can not separate into three distinct particles at one time. Because to do so would mean that as they got further and further apart approaching the 1:4 ratio its confines of ratio would be held in strict relativity - i.e., as the molecule stretched the ratios would remain relative to one another. This scenario is interesting in that a molecule could be made to stretch in all three directions artificially. Once it reached a point where all three diameters exceeded the original 1:4 ratio two frequencies could be quickly demodulated such that they instantly revert to the original rates thus leaving one of them at the 4+ ratio. The molecule would instantly disrupt with little apparent energy input. In other words, the molecule could be stimulated until it was in a state of maximum instability and then "nudged" into dissociation with a small tickle of force.

Planck's constant, is a physical constant reflecting the sizes of quanta in quantum mechanics. The Planck constant was first described as the proportionality constant between the energy (E) of a photon and the frequency of its associated electromagnetic wave (?).
The Planck constant is a fixed amount of energy being the difference of energy quantities as measured from orbital shell to orbital shell or from one energy state to another. The Planck constant is the difference between the energy levels. This difference is the same as the interval as spoken of in music.

A semitone is the smallest change of pitch (frequency) used in conventional music and musical notation. Semitones correspond with the individual keys of a tuned piano. A semitone is defined as the "12th root of 2" (1.05946...).   The Golden Ratio (1.61803...) when cubed, almost exactly equals 25 semitones. Therefore the 25th root of a cubed golden ratio (1.05945...) equals 0.99998... semitones. This difference, when accumulated over the entire range of human hearing (about 120 semitones) is less than 3.5/100 of one semitone, and is undetectable by the human ear.

It is assumed the natural progression of discord follows the following pattern of ratios from perfect harmony or equation of forces to the least harmonious or the point of disruption:

Harmony 1:1:1 / 1:1:2 / 1:2:2 / 1:2:3 / 1:3:5 Disruption

The above figures are the natural progression of the Fibonacci spiral and all other life activities resulting from a natural progression of events.
They are intimately connected with the golden ratio, for example the closest rational approximations to the ratio are 2/1, 3/2, 5/3, 8/5, ...


So the ratio Puharich found (also valid for water molecules) was "12th root of 2" and is tightly coupled to Keely's work.

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This sounds very close to the work Alex Petty has posted on his site.

AlexPetty.com

I would also like to add something that may be useful to this thread. Please correct me if I am wrong. Plank's constant is a purely emperical quantized value of light information that was derived by the steel industry scientists and Plank to describe the photo electric effect. It worked wonderfully and Einstein won the Nobel for it. Plank went to his grave searching for a traditional framework to describe the constant and Einstein hated it. Frank Znidarsic has published papers that can now properly express Plank's constant as Velocity = frequency X Wavelength through a traditional classical framework using high school level algebra.

The Control of the Natural Forces

This is a Quote by AlienScientist describing Frank Znidarsic's paper The Control of the Natural Forces.
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Now to the paper.
(Go to equation 4.)
Coulomb described the electrical force with his constants Q etc. and variable radius “r”. Znidarsic rearranged the constants in the form of the elastic energy of a spring.
together they equal a group constant K. The variable 1/r remains the same.
Amazingly, the new form revealed the classical radius of the electron “2rp”. However, that’s not nearly as important as what else he discovered… The mechanical elastic constant and displacement 2rp can be used to determine the velocity of sound within the electron.
You see, the strength of the electric field varies with distance r away from the electron and this is reflected in this variable elastic constant. The speed of sound also varies at different locations within the electron.
(Go to equation 4).
The velocity 1 million meters per second was then written in terms of a product of frequency and wavelength. Znidarsic assumed that this was the velocity of light within these experiments.
 (Now onto eq. 10:)
The condition of the velocity of light (left side) was set equal to the condition produced by the velocity of sound (right side). The velocity of a wave in medium is determined by the stiffness of that medium. (Show waves going at different velocities). The greater the strength of the forces within the medium, the faster the wave propagates. This is why sound travels faster in steel than in water. In the case where all the waves are going at the same velocity the strength of the forces between the components is the same. This implies that the strength of the electromagnetic, gravitomagentic, and nuclear forces converge under this condition.
 
This discovery has important technical ramifications. It shows the conditions necessary to control the natural forces. As in, controlling Gravity and Nuclear Forces.
This idea does not end in the clouds, however, it can also be used to produce the structure of the hydrogen atom (in equation #12.) This has never been done before from a classical premise.
Not only that, but the structure was extended to produced the intensity of spectral emission.
Finally, if you set rx equal to the radius of the hydrogen atom. The elastic energy contained by an elastic discontinuity of displacement 2rp equals the zero point kinetic energy of the ground state electron. Frank suggests that the natural force fields are pinned into the structure of matter at this discontinuity. The transitional quantum state removes the discontinuity and releases the fields.


The question is can this information help us better understand how Stan Meyers was economically splitting the water molecule? Frank Znidarsic was an electrical engineer that for years calculated the impedance between megawatt power stations and residential power grids. It was this insight into the understanding of impedance matching for efficient energy transfer that clued him in to the speed of the quantum transition. Please tell me how this information is not some how critical to the understanding of how the water fuel cell actually works at the quantum level.
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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #115 on: August 27, 2011, 06:29:39 am »
Yea I think Frank's info is very important with Stan's WFC. I've been in contact with Frank to see if he can help with this and he told me that the closest that he has seen to Stan's replication is Rossi. Frank has also seen a common occurrence with other works such as cold fusion where a certain value keeps coming up. The value he keeps seeing in all these phenomenons is that they all are related to 1,000,000 m/sec. I find that pretty interesting. 

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #116 on: August 27, 2011, 07:48:28 am »
so if the science between the waveform driving the VIC, the VIC construction and cell construction parameters can be accurately worked out then its plausible that all ofthe waveform driving side could be replaced with a smaller microprocessor board design?

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #117 on: September 03, 2011, 15:29:05 pm »
According to Keely the molecule will maintain its integrity (steady state: state of relative harmony ratio 1:1:1) until the ratio of width to length exceeds 1:4 at which point the molecule disrupts or comes apart forming a dipole and a monopole particles. Implying the molecule can not separate into three distinct particles at one time. Because to do so would mean that as they got further and further apart approaching the 1:4 ratio its confines of ratio would be held in strict relativity - i.e., as the molecule stretched the ratios would remain relative to one another. This scenario is interesting in that a molecule could be made to stretch in all three directions artificially. Once it reached a point where all three diameters exceeded the original 1:4 ratio two frequencies could be quickly demodulated such that they instantly revert to the original rates thus leaving one of them at the 4+ ratio. The molecule would instantly disrupt with little apparent energy input. In other words, the molecule could be stimulated until it was in a state of maximum instability and then "nudged" into dissociation with a small tickle of force.
Keely gives frequencies for molecule manipulation and starting the oscillation of the molecule with three frequencies, called Thirds! Also he has more higher ones (Sixths, etc just like SM did for the gas-processor: Atomic Hydrogen etc.), but the Third is still a misery using SM setup for starting to grasp the electrical polarization process (molecular dissociation).
 
We know we now use two for frequencies in the SM resonance setup, namely the two choke frequencies. What is the other frequency? NMR?
The signal generated for two sine-wave signals intermixed is called Amplitude Modulation.  When we mix the third frequency it is still looks like Amplitude Modulated, but now there are more dynamics in this signal going into a cavity.
The dynamic AM signal has more ingredients for the manipulation of the molecule inaudible for the human ear!

SM knew exactly what Keely has written for using Thirds and Sixths etc! Look at the diagram for the similar drawings according to Stan and Keely.

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #118 on: December 20, 2011, 21:25:40 pm »
think of this LCL circuit as a Filter circuit. You have a resonant frequency for L1 and the Cell, that will be your driving frequency. This driving frequency will be the same at the output of the L1 inductor, but the driving frequency modified by the L2 inductor to give a higher frequency. For example, Lets use Stan inductor values: L1 = 1262.7 mH, L2 = 1138 mH, and the calculated value for the cell is around 877nF. So the resonant frequency for L1 and C = 4785 Hz. This will give rise to the HV's in the LC circuit, which will modulate the signal of L2. The L2 frequency with the driving frequency of 4785 Hz will be modified to a frequency of 5038 Hz. So now you have two frequencies being applied to the cell, 4.785kHz and 5.038kHz. These two frequencies will form a Modulated AM signal.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Modulated_AM.png)
Harmonic oscillator III: Forced oscillations
http://nptel.iitm.ac.in/courses/Webcourse-contents/IIT-KANPUR/engg_mechanics/ui/Course_home_26.htm

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #119 on: December 24, 2011, 21:31:27 pm »
think of this LCL circuit as a Filter circuit. You have a resonant frequency for L1 and the Cell, that will be your driving frequency. This driving frequency will be the same at the output of the L1 inductor, but the driving frequency modified by the L2 inductor to give a higher frequency. For example, Lets use Stan inductor values: L1 = 1262.7 mH, L2 = 1138 mH, and the calculated value for the cell is around 877nF. So the resonant frequency for L1 and C = 4785 Hz. This will give rise to the HV's in the LC circuit, which will modulate the signal of L2. The L2 frequency with the driving frequency of 4785 Hz will be modified to a frequency of 5038 Hz. So now you have two frequencies being applied to the cell, 4.785kHz and 5.038kHz. These two frequencies will form a Modulated AM signal.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Modulated_AM.png)
Harmonic oscillator III: Forced oscillations
http://nptel.iitm.ac.in/courses/Webcourse-contents/IIT-KANPUR/engg_mechanics/ui/Course_home_26.htm

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No feedback on this?
Voltage takes over due forced resonance oscillations from the chokes combined with the resonance cell (tuned on dielectric properties of water)?

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