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Voltage Intensifier Circuit?
« on: February 28, 2008, 03:13:41 am »
i have made many mistakes in my past, there are many post i just don't like looking at.

i'm not claiming this is the vic, i am only wanting to share what i have learned. i hope this doesn't become another post i hate in the future.



i've talked with several people in wich i've helped to replicate my work on the alternator, its a touchy system, many think if you have the parts and the know how you can build it and jump right in there and make it work. this is not the case, each setup is very different.

not wanting to talk about the system, i just want to get out there that the fuel cell is more of a resistor than it is a capacitor. one guy reported that his resistance was so low that he could not get the alternator to self excite because the cell was short circuiting the alternator. with the 12 tubes in parallel that i have it only brings the resistance of the cell down.

there will come a time when you run into such a problem, the more the tubes the less the resistance and more conductance of the cell. with a little experiment i have found that by adding a Choke to the cell will alter the resistance, it will give the cell more of a resistance.

with the alternator pulsing the cell with dc voltages threw the choke, during the pulse off time the choke will emit back EMF. Not only is the back emf from the choke usefull but the back emf from the alternator appears to work with the choke some way, i know because i have blowed a circuit to kingdom come.

when you have a cell with such low resistance caused by to many tubes in parallel the cell short circuits the alternator and it can not self ignite. to solve the problem you add a choke in series with the cell and stator, this will give the cell more resistance and will not allow the cell to short circuit the alternator anymore.

now you have to jump a wire from the primary side coil with a diode, to the other side of the wfc. the power the choke has to offer fried my fet, it litterly melted it. the choke was also working with the rotor in some way? i have not got to test this setup with the choke that much.

anyways, if the used choke is a wiper arm, you can adjust the resistance to the cell, the less the resistance the more hydrogen. but if the cells resistance was to low to start with, you have to add resistance, a choke, or it will never self excite. this cures the problem of a cell with low resistance. the choke can tune the cell to the desired resistance.

the tuned choke also relates to ohms law, to use a choke you must know the reason for the choke, when you're using a choke for that good reason you also have extra created power to play with.

if you understand how stanley explained his vic in the video, you understand the reason for it is to gain electricity. this circuit does just that.



also i have found that electrons orbit the atoms nucleus  riding on an electric field. you wack this field up and the electrons go crazy, the alternator creates very strong electric fields at harmonics as well as bob boyces system. my opinion is that bobs system is targeting electric fields.

anyways, something for you all to read.





for everyone that likes to call the cell a capacitor, there's testing being done, the reason for the test is to show the max amount of charge the cell can hold or take in. it's very unique for a cell to take a charge much like we will try to make it take, i feel that we're using a very clever way to turn the cell into a real capacitor without any additives. time will tell if the cell is capable of acting as a real life capacitor.

also if the cell does perform as i hope under a capacitance charge then the electrolysis load driving the cell will drop in amps, the cell is predicted to try and power the electrolysis supply, this will also be prevented.

i am hoping gas will pour off. But this is ALL TALK right now, time will tell the truth.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2008, 03:24:59 am by hydrocars »

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Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2008, 09:18:45 am »
Hi Hydro,

Very nice piece written here.
I agree that the biggest part of the WFC is acting as a resistor.
But i am convinced that it is also a capacitor.
The reason is because it holds a charge for a long time and it even ingite the alternator after several seconds.
I like the adding of a resistance choke theory.
First you will match impedance between alternator and wfc.
Second, you create BEMF which must be returnd to the WFC, which improves production very much and should keep the wfc cooler.
If you add more wraps to the choke, voltage will go down and more bemf is created.
Maybe we have to double voltage in this setup.

just some ideas

 br
steve


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Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2008, 10:27:02 am »
Hi Hydro,

Very nice piece written here.
I agree that the biggest part of the WFC is acting as a resistor.
But i am convinced that it is also a capacitor.
The reason is because it holds a charge for a long time and it even ingite the alternator after several seconds.
I like the adding of a resistance choke theory.
First you will match impedance between alternator and wfc.
Second, you create BEMF which must be returnd to the WFC, which improves production very much and should keep the wfc cooler.
If you add more wraps to the choke, voltage will go down and more bemf is created.
Maybe we have to double voltage in this setup.

just some ideas

 br
steve



id like to point out that not much of a choke is needed to gain emf that can be converted into amps, whats adding a few ohms to your cell going to hurt? even if your cell appears like it doesn't need a choke, i would at least add a small one and gain lighting. again, just a few ohms your gaining and it wouldn't really alter the hydroxy output much at all.

but the more tubes in parallel the less ohms and more conductance, so if you go with a bigger setup in the future  it could lead to you having to add a choke resistor to your cell before.  thats if the cell has such low or no resistance and full conductance, this is the problem carl is running into now. he can solve that by adding a choke and giving a little resistance to the cell, at the same time of solving that he can also gain electricity. i have not told this to him yet.


everyone keeps saying the cell is a capacitor, if it is then its a poor one, i have seen anywhere from 1 to 12 cells, still have i have not seen the cell hold over a 3 volt charge, normal voltage from the cell is about 1.2 to 1.5 volts. the amps is around .40 or 400 milliamps, if you could get the cell to generate electricity while performing electrolysis then id agree it would be a damn good capacitor, i have yet to see this happen as no one has tried it.
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Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2008, 13:14:28 pm »
Hi Nightrider...


I agree that a choke solves Carl problem. I received pics of his WFC after some production.
The water was orange. No, not a little bit on the edges, but reall orange in the whole wfc.
That means to me that there some minerals in his tapwater, like iron or so.
The conclusion is that his resistance is lower then low.

About gaining electricity from your WFC i can give you a suggestion.
My son did this on his school 2 months ago. The school bought a experimental kit for kids!
They had to run a small fan, powerd by hydrogen/electricity.

Long story short:
Place 2 SS electrodes in the top of yr wfc. Yes,  in the top where no water is, just the oxygen hydrogen gas mix.
2 wires on it and up you go!

br
Steve


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Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit?
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2008, 13:40:24 pm »
carl told me he has 6 tubes but the alternator only works with 5 because of his resistance, his other option is to put 5 tubes in parallel and 1 in series with the 5, this will also give him more resistance than just the 5 tubes could give alone.

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Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit?
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2008, 13:43:22 pm »

Long story short:
Place 2 SS electrodes in the top of yr wfc. Yes,  in the top where no water is, just the oxygen hydrogen gas mix.
2 wires on it and up you go!

br
Steve



what if you just pump the hydroxy threw the bottom of the cell,,,, would the voltage not go up? if so you can also perform electrolysis at the same time, and there would be your capacitor. 

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Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2008, 14:36:04 pm »
carl told me he has 6 tubes but the alternator only works with 5 because of his resistance, his other option is to put 5 tubes in parallel and 1 in series with the 5, this will also give him more resistance than just the 5 tubes could give alone.
Yes, you will get more resistance, but you only get production from the one in parallel. You loose one tube.

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Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit?
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2008, 14:37:39 pm »

Long story short:
Place 2 SS electrodes in the top of yr wfc. Yes,  in the top where no water is, just the oxygen hydrogen gas mix.
2 wires on it and up you go!

br
Steve



what if you just pump the hydroxy threw the bottom of the cell,,,, would the voltage not go up? if so you can also perform electrolysis at the same time, and there would be your capacitor. 

Thats what happens with my big wfc. it has a flow from top to bottum. Water and hydroxy in a cycle/recycle

I will do some measurements about the voltage. Never done that in such a setup. Maybe we learn something.

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steve
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