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Re: LC Resonance question.
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2011, 10:35:11 am »
You create high voltage with the LC Resonance to get the wfc capacitor to reach the point of dielectric breakdown. That makes the current spike which will disassociate the water into HHO. After that you need to give the wfc capacitor the time to reestablish the dielectric because if you don't you can not reestablish the LC Resonance and thus the high voltage to start over again .... just my two cents ...




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Re: LC Resonance question.
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2011, 14:48:01 pm »
he using lc resonance to generate the highest voltage  which equals the highest potential feild
 
higher the potential feild  the more tension applied to the water molecule 
 
the second signal  is to aggitate the water while  tension is applied thats the mechanical resonance
 
the first inductor is in the circuit for a signal filter and is also a capacitor   because of the mutual capacitance of the wire    this coil creates the step charging by averaging out the voltage peaks and sags caused by the square wave 
 
the second coil is the amp restriction to ground  this is what builds up the potential feild   because you have this inductor to ground it gives you a 90 degree phase delay     
 
so any power you put in the positive side take 90 degrees of phase to come out to ground   
 
if you keep adding power  the voltage in the  cell will keep growing for 90 degrees  after 90 degrees
 
 it will plane off and stay constant because your addind in voltage at the same rate its  leaving the cell
 
if you turn off the power the voltage and current in the cell will start to decay   
 
this will look like a capacitor charging and discharging signal  which is a  sawtooth
 
this process is then repeated at the resonant frequency of the circuit  allowing for voltage magnification 
 
the blocking diode just takes the ac created on the secondary during resonance and  rectifies it back to dc
 
 
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Re: LC Resonance question.
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2011, 15:11:20 pm »
Shark,there are no current spikes when in resonance.As dudleyengineering stated above thats it in a nutshell.Remember we are restricting current,if there's spikes,than there's a shorting in the cell.Not Good.
 
High voltage on the water alone will NOT break the waters bond,you need to get the water molecule to resonate with the gating frequency in order to pull the water apart.
 
Go to my other post on gating
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Re: LC Resonance question.
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2011, 16:31:07 pm »
For a long time this resonance term has been on my mind.

Has anyone come up with the following term what Stan meant, "tuning into the dielectric properties of water" = "parametric exciting"
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Parametric+Excitation+and+Amplification+of+Electromagnetic
http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfc/index.htm
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/paraintr.htm

When you set the LC resonance with PULSE frequency (natural frequency) we get high voltage. If amps are being restricted we are separating water, so capacitance is changing (dielectric between the plates) at the rate we are sending the PULSES. The LC resonance will be tuned (locked) by the PLL, but if we use GATE frequency for amplification of the natural resonance in the WFC on the rate the capacitance is changing we are getting parametric amplification of the natural LC resonance.

Just a thought.

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Re: LC Resonance question.
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2011, 17:34:31 pm »
If the parametric exitation is possible, than for the alternator to work the speed of the drive motor should be controlled of fine tune by having a frequency to voltage converter and or phase comparator to fine tune the movement to the resonance. But for me seems very over complicated design.


The thing is that inductance is the number of turns squared divided by the reluctance, so the smaller it is the greater will be the inductance. However the fields are complicated concept in the sense that nothing says that it really exist. The energy you input in a component is inside it somewhere distributed, If you add a lamination of iron inside the transformer you wont need to do work to do so and you would increase the inductance, like naudin said in the 90's but only in one cycle, and here is the problem. If you make the core to oscillate maybe having some springs in it and to the resonant frequency to the spring resonance, you could actually insert and take out the core, much like a speaker works... I already thought of this but didn't build it, i called the vibration transformer or something like that.


I will try to find out more about this parametric component of the equation..


I'm not sure if actually you will get more energy out, but certainly is not the same thing as was tested before so should be tested further.




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Re: LC Resonance question.
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2011, 03:18:58 am »
Shark,there are no current spikes when in resonance.As dudleyengineering stated above thats it in a nutshell.Remember we are restricting current,if there's spikes,than there's a shorting in the cell.Not Good.
 
High voltage on the water alone will NOT break the waters bond,you need to get the water molecule to resonate with the gating frequency in order to pull the water apart.
 
Go to my other post on gating
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It would be very interesting to know a gating frequency as per resonate frequency  as Stan examples (.5 hz gating /5khz resonate frequency) That confuses me as he says that will provide 2500 discreet pulses per hz, I want to think that it should say discreet pulses per .5 hz...  for some reason that part isnt sinking in to me.

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Re: LC Resonance question.
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2011, 04:27:28 am »
Shark,there are no current spikes when in resonance.As dudleyengineering stated above thats it in a nutshell.Remember we are restricting current,if there's spikes,than there's a shorting in the cell.Not Good.
 
High voltage on the water alone will NOT break the waters bond,you need to get the water molecule to resonate with the gating frequency in order to pull the water apart.
 
Go to my other post on gating
Don

It would be very interesting to know a gating frequency as per resonate frequency  as Stan examples (.5 hz gating /5khz resonate frequency) That confuses me as he says that will provide 2500 discreet pulses per hz, I want to think that it should say discreet pulses per .5 hz...  for some reason that part isnt sinking in to me.

The gating frequency will be manually adjusted to match the specific gap between a set of electrodes, this is design variable, the PLL must be a follower of the "electrical resonance" of your specific VIC Coil and WFC combined as a tank circuit for electrical resonance to keep chasing the ever changing capacitance as the gas is produced

The gating frequency is adjusted based on mechanical seperation or distance between tubular electrodes (gap) and this, once designed will never change therefore the gating, once adjusted will never change...


@ DON:
do all the coils (primary, sec, choke1, choke2 ) have to resonate at the same frequency for efficient transfer of energy?
Are all the inductances the same?

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Re: LC Resonance question.
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2011, 01:39:52 am »
Ali,how can the primary coil, which is alot smaller, be the same inductance as the other coils on the same core?
It can't.
But you can adjust the size of the coil to have a match in resonance frequencies.
 
Example: 1KHZ, 2KHZ, 4KHZ, 8KHZ, 16KHZ
 
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