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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #96 on: March 15, 2011, 13:48:22 pm »

Hi newguy

IF you mean the water capacitor, i think you should not consider it much, as you said globally it will not remain charged for so long, of course it interfere and the dielectric proprieties are what we are thinking about but when i say to charge the cell i might mean to charge the acrylic this will be the capacitor, one of the electrodes is the water itself and the other is the earth ground or whatever you have connected to the outside of the cell (acrylic). This will create the high energy field that will break the molecules. Of course all this must be in accordance with the resonance ad the unipolar pulses... this is what i'm trying now.


The acrylic will hold the charge well for some time, i think is a good dielectric.  I didn't tested yet how much time but you must also consider a high impedance ohmmeter to measure the capacitance losses would be needed my multimeters are really crap.


You should never measure any components value while there is voltage in it. never! you can damage your meter! (of course you can measure voltage across components but you must know that the  multimeter interacts with the circuit in some ways so or you can get wrong measure, or you can get the performance of the circuit affected, or even get the multimeter damaged. For example to measure the resistance the multimeter apply a voltage between the leads and than measure the current and determine the resistance, or vice versa.


I think that in the water there might be like 1000v between the tubes cause here i have very pure water... but maybe up to 2000v.


With tap water i think that maybe 26v like stan said...



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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #97 on: March 15, 2011, 16:59:11 pm »
guys i'm not pretty sure cause all this i just said can work in the unipolar manner, but i think that my theory was right after all, i re-thinked today and took a look in the patent again.


So here it goes.


Is clear that the orientation of tx5 is contrary but i noticed something i overlooked before that is the fact that during the on pulse the diode work as a blocking diode (concluded by analyzing the diagram in the patent and primary coil orientation) therefore it works in what i will call resonant mode witch would be similar to kick back mode but instead of accumulating energy in the core it is accumulated in the water in the form of electrostatic charge, (resonant charging choke) so tx5 coil apply a negative pulse B- to the inner electrode in reference to ground (copper outside the cell (reference capacitance) and when the pulse terminates the capacitor discharges thru tx5 coil witch induces (acting as a primary) induces now in the secondary and tx4 coil a positive voltage B+ to the outer tube in reference to the copper, so as the current is returning in the tx5 coil to induce in the secondary and tx4 a high voltage pulse the current is therefore restricted cause cannot go in two directions at the same time in the wire so all the electrons (negative charge) are going to be deposited into the copper outside the container, witch makes of it highly negative and full of electrons. Now the primary came again with another pulse than send this electrons to the negative electrode over and over again. 


I think that is not bad idea to ad a capacitor in parallel with tx5 to reduce the frequency... or a coil in series with it.


In this case only tx5 resonates (tuned coil)


The positive and negative pulses are not applied at the same time.


The steam resonator is the same thing but he first make a sequence of pulses and than before breaking he flips the polarity with another sequence of pulses!!!! The voltage level is whats going to determinate the elongation of the water molecule, all this by induction and not conduction!!!


So i guess the theory was kind of right in the end anyway, except by the phase of the pulse.


Now i'm going to check if i can reach this condition.


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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #98 on: March 15, 2011, 17:05:51 pm »
Oh boy


I think that i understood why my resonance was not working. As the mosfet was not able to remain shut cause of the variac, the resonance got killed by the current that kept flowing.


solution, is to use the variac in parallel with the battery just to recharge it or maybe to keep the charge if possible.


well, lets go

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Blocking Diode
« Reply #99 on: March 16, 2011, 06:48:37 am »
Blocking Diode
Blocking Diode (B) prevents electrical "shorting" to secondary coil (A) during pulse-off time since the diode "only" conducts electrical energy in the direction of the schematic arrow.

Switching diode (55) of Figure (3-22) not only acts as a blocking diode by preventing electrical "shorting" to secondary coil (52) during pulse off-time (69) of Figure (3-20) since diode (55) "only" conducts electrical energy in the direction of schematic arrow; but, also, and at the same time functions as a electronic switch which opens electrical circuit (60) during pulse offtime ... allowing magnetic fields of both inductor coils (56/57) to collapse ... forming pulse train (64a xxx 64n).


Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60) of Figure (3-22) (Memo WFC 422 DA) as to Figure (1-1) (Memo WFC 420) and Voltage Intensifier Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) are specifically designed to restrict amp flow during Programmable Pulsing Operations (49a xxx 49n) but in different operational modes: VIC voltage circuit (60) utilizes copper wire-wrap to form Resonant Charging Chokes (56/62) of Figure (3-22) in conjunction with Switching Diode (55) to encourage and make use of "Electron Bounce" phenomena (700) of Figure (7-9) to help promote Step Charging Effect (628) of Figure (7-7) by preventing electrical discharge of Resonant Cavity (140 - 170) since Blocking Diode functions as an "Open" switch during Pulse Off-time; whereas, VIC Voltage Enhancement Circuit (VIC - VB) (620) of Figure (7-1) incorporates the use of stainless steel wire- wrap coils (614/615) to accomplish the formation of unipolar gated pulse-wave (64a xxx T3 xxx 64n) without experiencing "signal distortion" or "signal degradation" (preventing transformer ringing during signal propagation) as elevated voltage levels ( - xx Vc- xx Vd - xx Vn) while allowing the reduction of Capacitor-Gap (Cp) (616) of Figure (7-11) width spacing (57 of Figure 3- 25 ~35 of Figure 6-2) (typically .060 - .010) respectively. as illustrated in Tubular Resonant Cavity (170) as to Taper Resonant Cavity (620) of Figure (7-1).
Switching Diode (55) of Figure (3-22) prevents Bidirectional electron flow (current flow in one direction only) since Blocking - Diode (55) only conducts "current flow" in the direction of schematic-arrow while being placed in-line with VIC Circuit impedance interaction (R1 + Z2 + Z3 .•. Re), as mathematically extrapolated in Circuit Equation (Eq 9) ... Diode (55) being placed between Secondary Pickup Coil (52) and Resonant Charging Choke (56) to act as an electronic switch in open-position during pulse off-time (T2) of Figure (7-8) while preventing electron flow in reverse direction when Inductor (L1) collapsing electromagnetic field (FLl) produces another unipolar pulse wave-form ( 64a - 64b) ... producing unipolar voltage wave-form (64a xxx 64n) during repeated pulse-signal (46a xxx 46n) on-time (Tla xxx TIn) ... allowing the formation of an gated pulse- frequency pulse-train (64a/64b - T3 - 64a/64b) when pulse off-time (T3) is greater than time-period (T2) ... input-signal (49a xxx 49n) being a Pulse-Train where (T2) pulse offtime (T2) is adjusted to allows Unipolar Pulse-Train (64a xxx T3 xxx 64n) ... outputting Voltage-wave signal (64a xxx 64n) being a pulse-frequency doubler due to Inductance Reactance (FL) of Inductor Coil (56) of Figure (3-22) when collapsing magnetic field (FI) of Figure (7-3b) re-cuts coil-wrap (Ll) during each pulse off-time (T2) ... producing a second unipolar voltage wave-form (64b) during the rise and fall of magnetic field (71), as further illustrated in (620) of Figure (7-1).


Blocking Diode (618) functions as an "Electrical Isolator" that prevents electrical discharge of Dual Secondary Coil (616A / B) during applied Pulsing Operations (49a xxx 49n).

 Blocking Diode (52) of Figure (4-9) as to Figure (1-1) allows unipolar pulse-wave to go more positive on each pulse-cycle since the Blocking Diode (52) prevents the Resonant Cavity (Cp) from discharging during pulse off-time, as so illustrated in Figure (1-4) as to (60) of Figure (3-22) ... allowing the developed "Electrical Stress"(RU/RU' - ST/ST') of Figure (5-1/5-2) across Capacitor Gap (Cp) to go to the farthest point beyond the "State of Equilibrium" ... see Atomic Energy Balance of Water (WFC memo 424), once again. The programmable pulse-frequency (49a xxx 49n) of Figure (10-1) input is simply adjusted to tune-in to the dielectric property of the Water Molecule. The resultant Dynamic Electrical Charging Effect (612) of Figure (8-1) acts as a progressive energy enhancer (Energy Priming Stage) (500) of Figure (5-1) when Static State Space (790) of (8-3) is configured to Dynamic State Space (800) of Figure (8-4), as so illustrated in WFC memo (427) titled "Voltage Wave-Guide" ... whereby, the Voltage Wave-Guides forms Water Gap (Cp).




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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #100 on: March 16, 2011, 06:59:30 am »
Water now becomes part of Voltage Intensifier circuit in the form of "resistance" between electrical ground (67) and pulse- frequency positive potential (66) ... helping to prevent electron flow within pulsing circuit (60) of Figure (3-22).
Inductor (56) and capacitor (57) properties of LC circuit (180) is therefore "tuned" to resonant at a given frequency. Resonant frequency (63) of Figure (3-19) can be raised or lowered by changing the inductance (56) and/or capacitance (57) valves. The established resonant frequency is, of course, independent of voltage amplitude, as illustrated in Figure (3-21) as to Figure (3-18). The value of inductor (56), value of capacitor (57), and the pulse-frequency (63) of voltage (Yo xxx Vn) being applied across the LC circuit determined the impedance of LC circuit (Figure 3-28).

Inductor (C) is made of or composed of resistive wire (R2) to further restrict D.C. current flow beyond inductance reaction (XL), and, is given by
(Eq 8)
Dual-inline RLC Network
Variable inductor-coil (D), similar to inductor (C) connected to opposite polarity voltage zone (E2) further inhibits electron movement or deflection within the Voltage Intensifier Circuit. Movable wiper arm fine "tunes" "Resonant Action" during pulsing operations. Inductor (D) in relationship to inductor (C) electrically balances the opposite voltage electrical potential across voltage zones (EI/E2).
VIC Resistance
Since pickup coil (A) is also composed of or made of resistive wire-coil (Rl), then, total circuit resistance is given by Eq9
Where, RE is the dielectric constant of natural water.

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #101 on: March 16, 2011, 11:12:23 am »
what is the highest voltage you have read across a tube cell with pure water in it , it is the water atoms providing this " holding charge" is it not? maybe minus the metals work function?

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #102 on: March 16, 2011, 12:17:51 pm »
Hello new guy


 i did some tests with pure water, my water had around up to 10kohm resistance for a tube cell like stan said with around 1,8nf


The thing is that the voltage was proportional to the current applied so if could apply 1 amp there would be 10kv but thats not the correct way.


Now I understand that we can put unlimited voltage fields if The fields are applied in distinct moments. So under resonance no current should flow.




I said B- is first applied than B+. Simple as that. Of course only with resonance you can have the right impedance to have such high fields with strong attraction. With only coils could be done I think but as the impedances would need to be very high I think that would not work really well.


The resonance is the easiest and most economic way to have high energy recirculating with minimum components stress, with the desired impedance and voltage current and frequency.


As the water forms a resistor between the positive and electrical ground whenever the resonance voltage become higher than the reflected pulse this will allow some backward conduction, but it has the current restricted cause it will need to pass thru the secondary diode and choke and is automatically inducing or establishing the field across the tubes. Remember induction charging? yes this is what happens between the voltage zones and the molecules and atoms.


Stan said and he only repeated what physics studied since a long time. When you have a charged particle that moves thru a field the result of this interaction is electromagnetic energy.


For example, you know that a generator works by moving a coil in relation to magnets or vice versa, the moving magnetic field lines crossing the coil induces a voltage field in the atoms according to the orientation. What i want to mean is, what if you take a very strong magnet and circulate water thru it? What happens? Seems that nothing happens, but inside the water the fields are interacting with the bound electrons witch receive this induced contrary voltage that makes the bound to switch off.


Of course the amount of magnetism is big to achieve this, and cause voltage field is much stronger than magnetic field, stan decided to work with the voltage. The movement will induce a high magnetic field in the molecules. But the magnetic field will be really high. 


When the negative field is applied the hydrogen atoms are attracted to the electrode while the covalent electrons are repelled this implies a very strong force that makes the net charge of the water polar molecule to diminish and sequentially as the fields alternates between positive in one electrode and negative in the other alternately up to the point where the covalent bound switch off. This is where the water molecule is in resonance, this mean that the oxygen atom gets dissociated from the water molecule and simply the shared bonding electrons migrate to the hydrogen atoms, and both the hydrogen and oxygen revert to net zero electrical charge this way the atoms are released from the water as a gas.

The field intensity will increase in step manner like stan said cause every pulse you add in the resonance accumulated more energy and this energy recirculate thru the next cycle and so on.


When the molecules dissociate into atoms there will be a time that it will suffer resonant action (defection thru the fields)...


I recommend you all to re read the tech brief again! I did it and do it every while and i aways find some good. 




Look that is not only me saying that the diode will work in the pulse off...


Stan words

"The blocking diode functions as a electronic switch which opens electrical circuit (60) during pulse offtime ... allowing magnetic fields of both inductor coils (56/57) to collapse ... forming pulse train (64a xxx 64n)."




If anyone here understand the minimum of electrical circuit will notice what i'm saying.


I used polimer filter to make the water pure, i only know that it has both positive and negative polimers together. But to make it for very high pure water i put all this in a long tube that support the water tap pressure so it filters very slowly but a very pure water.


To know how pure it is you just add a pair of electrodes apply a dc voltage and measure the current than you know the resistance of your specific cell-


Br




Notice how he makes distinction between water charge and the water capacitor charge


"The effect of the core is to isolate the water capacitor and to prevent the pulsing signal from going below an arbitrary ground and to maintain the charge of the already charged water and water capacitor."

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If theres a good soul that wants to help...
« Reply #103 on: March 16, 2011, 12:28:47 pm »
If by any chance someone wants to donate some money or instruments (voltmeter, oscilloscope...)to help me in my project, please send me a pm and I will create a pay-pall where I can receive the donation easily or could provide a place where you can send what you want. I would really appreciate.


If i had some money i would fix my multimeter if possible and make more coils to test... if possible i would buy a usb oscilloscope and a nice clamp ampmultimeter..
I would also get some support from some engineering industry...


I just though that my cousin best friend is the manager of the institute of research and technology of sao paulo maybe i could get some help with the pulsing circuit there...

Thanks