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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #88 on: March 14, 2011, 02:32:14 am »
I think that my theory about the resonance, was wrong, but i was able to identify the problem.


I think that i understood the principle behind the unipolar coil that stan created.


Is just two similar coils connected to each other field add, thru a diode, in the bottom of the diode you put the connection to the outside of the cell, than each of the extremities of the coils goes to the tubes. All this must be pulsed by a primary coil and should be all we need. If all the wires are in the same direction thus having the same polarities, where the primary positive input the other wires will be negative aways. Unipolar pulses should be formed at the resonant frequency.


I think that we could add capacitors in parallel to reduce the frequency and Q.




The vic sink pulse Is about the same but has another coil that resonates so it is able to develop the resonance.


So only one diode is needed to make the resonance to be unipolar. The thing is that the diode select the coil that will receive the resonance discharge, so arranged to only allow unipolar pulses.






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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #89 on: March 14, 2011, 08:15:12 am »
quote:

I think that i understood the principle behind the unipolar coil that stan created.


Is just two similar coils connected to each other field add, thru a diode, in the bottom of the diode you put the connection to the outside of the cell, than each of the extremities of the coils goes to the tubes. All this must be pulsed by a primary coil and should be all we need. If all the wires are in the same direction thus having the same polarities, where the primary positive input the other wires will be negative aways. Unipolar pulses should be formed at the resonant frequency.


I think that we could add capacitors in parallel to reduce the frequency and Q.

Hi Sebos
Can you post scheme for this?
thank
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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #90 on: March 14, 2011, 15:10:36 pm »
Seb,


seconded, I'm off today and would like to better understand how your are connecting these two coils and diode...  I'll give it a try yet cannot seem to see it in my mind, a diagram would help


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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #91 on: March 14, 2011, 15:40:57 pm »
Here it goes...


The L3 coil is bigger, and as the other coils should support high current, Maybe 5 amps...


The thing is that L3 gets in resonance with Cr and alternately send or a positive pulse thru the diode or a negative pulse thru the other coil, this way the transformer will have only unipolar field.


One of the coils while receiving the pulse will induce a pulse in the other coil therefore doubling the frequency of the unipolar pulses.




Before the theory was wrong i think, cause if tx5 was wounded in contrary direction, when the resonance actually revert polarity it would induce a contrary pulse so not being unipolar.


What could be done to simply adjust that is to connect also tx5 field aiding and between the secondary and the tx5 to add a diode (yes a diode) in the same direction as the other (field aiding) but before the diode between the secondary and the diode goes the connection to a resonating coil that will be connected to Cr outside the cell...


This should make the transformer to work unipolar but the diode across the primary would kill in theory the thing cause a positive voltage would be induced and it would go into conduction all the time also... MAybe is part of the technology, only test will tell us. 

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #92 on: March 14, 2011, 16:48:48 pm »

Notice the frequency doubling in the primary power consumption. I think that in the wfc there the frequency is also doubling but the simulation don't see it cause is kind of electrostatic..

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #93 on: March 15, 2011, 04:53:43 am »


I think that i drop into something here check this out and tell me what you think.


What if we make tx2 + tx4 (mutual coupling) = to tx5 coil


(tx5 is field adding too)


So now we have two coils of equal length.


they converge where the tx5 meets tx2 and in the tubes.  (a diode could be used there to block the discharge in reverse polarity but maybe is not needed, however stan used this in the vic sink circuit.


If you make the outside capacitance to be connected to this point where tx5 meets tx2 you close a unipolar resonant pulsing core. And i explain to you why.


When the pulse is first applied there will be B+ in the cell and a B-  But the outside container will be at 0v relative to both potentials. Obviously will be more positive than the negative and more negative than the positive. Now if you think of the diode you will notice that when the pulse terminates I think that the positive will become negative source of electrons so they will go toward the 0v... creating another pulse of same polarity...


Would be useful to add another coil in a separated induction core between the vic and the outside of the cell so you can reduce the frequency while not changing the ratio between the tx coils. i think that would be what stan call the amp inhibiting coil. Also in the alternator.


I noticed some similarities...


I think that both chokes and the secondary acts not only as secondary but as a primary also during pulsing operations, inducing and being induced, the diode and the configuration allow the field to be unipolar therefore never changing direction if at resonance, varying the flux still by the pulses and resonance itself but never changing direction.


would be clear that a way to detect if there is bipolar pulses would be a good way to detect resonance. But i still think that this could be only used as a reset, cause the best way to have a nice feedback would be to get it from a current transformer, or a coil wounded in the bipolar resonating coil tx6 amp inhibiting coil.


The tx5 i supposed that should be little bigger than the other two cause this would encourages the discharge to come thru the other electrode. Well, i don't know, need to do more experiments. Tomorrow i will try some other things. Maybe thats why he talked about acomodating to the contaminants of the water. Maybe depending on the water the tx5 coil must be bigger or smaller than tx2+tx4 and also both this could maybe need or not other coil configurations....




So
tx1 primary
tx2 secondary (having its positive connected to a diode D1 and the negative connected to the positive of the tx5 choke thru a diode or not)
tx3 pulse indicator coil
tx4 resonant changing choke, (the diode D1 coming from secondary positive is connected to the negative side of the tx4 choke, the positive side is connected than to the outer tube )
tx5 resonant charging choke (have its negative side connected to the inner tube, and its positive connected to a diode D2 witch is than serially connected to the negative side of the secondary and to tx6 coil.
tx6 amp inhibiting coil (in a separated core) connected between the point where tx2 negative side and the diode D2 meets and also connected to the earth ground.
tx7 tuning variable coil (connected between tx5 coil and the cell)
 
The cell must have a copper foil around it to form the resonant capacitor. This copper foil is connected to earth ground to complete the resonant circuit. 


The tx6 coil could have a section of the primary wounded on it, this would help to neutralize the voltage for the next pulse.


thats all folks


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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #94 on: March 15, 2011, 10:12:17 am »
I think the outer tube must be the positive B+ cause if the inside tube is the negative one than if we have the positive 0v relative to the negative, we want this charge to be captured by the outer tube, i said to induce this condition maybe tx5 could be bigger than tx4+tx2 together or we could simply add the diode or a resistor so adjusting or tuning to the dielectric according to contaminants to the water.


The thing is that we need to keep unipolar, and not only in the sense of the magnetic field but also in the water the current always must flow in one direction. Think about that, this is what i'm talking about when i talk about controlling the path where the resonant energy want to discharge and recirculate be impedance or diiode.

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #95 on: March 15, 2011, 11:30:02 am »
Hi Sebosfato, I just wanna ask a question to satisfy a curriosty i have you may be able to answer ok.... 
 
Say i charge a capacitor up and it maintaines a voltage of something like 1.86 volts when no  charging voltage is applied how would i be able to find resonance with inductor  and capacitor  so that the inductor puts out a resonate waveform with the capacitors maintained peak voltage? does that make since? what im saying is that im interested in the inductor resonating with the charged capacitor at the capacitors holding charge if its only for a very short time .
Do i need to measure capacity after i charge with 26v,100v, 600v?