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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #144 on: March 26, 2011, 16:22:29 pm »
As now i understand more about the working of a transformer i decided to make the vic like the 6:1 fig, with the coils wounded one over the other, cause i want to maximize the coupling and don't want to have the leakage inductance energy lost in the snubber... And want to maximize the induced pulse by resonance. The vic that i made closed loop here have many air gaps so the coupling is only 0,5 this is good for one thing and bad for other. If the secondary and 56 choke at least was wounded over the primary would be a major improvement already!   


So my secondary and choke will kind of be my snubber for this energy, in kick back mode, so this will add with the right phase,.




So i'm doing this way, the first choke is the resonant choke, over it the primary, over the primary the secondary and than the other choke.


This will have only the central leg of the E cores that i cut out to made my closed loop core as core.


I arranged the primary there because will be the ground state, i could made the primary under all the coils but the negative coil would have high potential to the primary so there could leak some electrons.


Therefore the core will need to be very well insulated.


If the coupling of the resonance is too big i will than disconnect this coil and wound a coil having a spacing relationship around the vic in such a way that i can insert the vic in the coil to  adjust the coupling of the resonance to the load. (secondary)



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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #145 on: March 28, 2011, 00:10:24 am »
Ok now everything is up and running, i think the HEXFET i'm using now will not blow anymore, i'm using an irfpg50 now, running very nicely its rated 1000v 6 amps 2ohm rds on . The snubber made the difference.


I still get only a good behavior of the vic if there is a resistor in series with the diode (in parallel with the primary) (at high voltage levels this 1k resistor is frying and it is 5 watts ceramic)


Now i can switch up to 300v no problems. The snubber resistor get very hot, i have here 70 ohm wire wounded non inductively, (i made it around a ceramic non ferromagnetic core), as i said before the snubber capacitor is 1600v 68nf blue, and there is a 1200v 30 amp ultra fast diode in parallel with the resistor...


Well now come the interesting part, i'm not able to measure the voltage on the water, or the resonant tank, however i see the bubbles coming out like stan bubbles, very much like a fog, not very big production but is very strange. When i put the positive in the inner tube almost no bubbles come out of it but when i connect the negative inside, considerable bigger amount than previous configuration gas is generated.


So the negative must be the inner electrode.




The water was completely pure and generated the same gas as when i added sodium hydroxide, when little bit less but the same kind of bubbles.


The is also a water mist fog coming out of the water much like those for humidifiers.


I think that i'm in the right way.


The gate don't change much here, nothing perceptible. 


=) =) =)


My calculated resonance F is far higher than i can measure with my equipments here, 100khz, but i'm going to try adding some capacitors in parallel so to reduce the frequency and see what happens.


B.R.
sebs
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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #146 on: March 28, 2011, 05:55:31 am »
I think that the thing is working but at a low level, now i have to measure with a voltmeter that works, to be able to determine how to improve or where to tune.. The multimeter i have here show crazy voltages.


Now all i need to match is the vic.


I thought of making isolation transformer made as current source so i can input in the primary ever increasing voltage. This will prevent the high voltage developed in the primary.


I'm going to ask to the teacher what he think about that. I think that i'm going to take the prototype to the university to make some measurements there if possible.


I found the curriculum of the teacher, he is graduated in physics and electrical engineering and has master degree in power electronics and switches, and doctor in thre-phase...
hope he helps


If you are interested go watch the lessons in mit about solid state chemistry, there is a lecture where he explain the lone pairs and dipole-dipole interaction the hydrogen bounding and many other things. There are many interesting lectures.


If you watch it you will fell like stan also knew what he talk about in the lecture. So i think also about the inventor i know here.


He explain that the hydrogen bound is very strong in some cases cause the hydrogen being positively charged it will bound to form to the lone pairs of the oxygen to form liquid water. So become obvious where the electrons come from During the polarization. 


I have a very good felling about that.


The lecture about ionic bounds also is very cool so as the particle wave duality.


I watched 5 lectures yesterday
very cool

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #147 on: March 28, 2011, 14:30:41 pm »
keep it up sebo.  i love reading about your progress.

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« Reply #148 on: March 28, 2011, 19:13:49 pm »
My crap multimeter burned during those crasy voltage measurements. I opened it to see if there was something carbonized and there wasn't than i thought why not to try again to see if i can make my good multimeter to work, i opened it again and though, what if i lost some of the tracks jumper during the time it was open around here... Conclusion, i found that one of the tracks was missing the jumper (those jumpers in the button you turn to select the multimeter functions) and than i used one of the burned multimeter in it and voila i got it to work.


As is a very good multimeter now i can see that bubbles start to come out from the tubes at around 20v with pure water, and i can push up to 200v for now.


very happy here,


the only thing that is not working is the continuity meter. it keeps bipping without anything connected...


Thanks idontsmellgood for take the time to read.


hope is worth in the end

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Resonance found close to predicted frequency
« Reply #149 on: March 28, 2011, 19:25:52 pm »
resonance found close to 108khz the voltage when to more than 1000v, however the production didn't changed much... woking on that.. .

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #150 on: March 30, 2011, 00:19:37 am »
great results man i'm glad you got the circuit working properly. You've created the stress on the water and it sounds like your getting the small misty production that i am. Now its all about manipulating the molecule.
i'll be watching your progress
keep up the good work!! and thanks for everything so far
 

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #151 on: March 30, 2011, 05:21:11 am »
Hello Dave,


yes i'm getting a small water misty coming out of the water too, I have seeing this before in italy when i used the resonance in series too 2 or 3 years ago, but for me is very perceptible now cause i have a bright lamp over me to work, I think it happens due to some of the hydrogen bounds being broken so the water molecules becoming like a fog of bounded molecules, you know like those humidfiers.. Those use ultrasonic piezo to shake the water and brake the hydrogen bounds, the incredible here is that by only applying the voltage to the water we are already shaking it.


You are right, now is only about manipulate the molecules to do what i want them to do. At the right frequency.


I have just arrived from university, and now and tomorrow i will have some more little time for experimenting, hope doing some progress.


i went today to the engineering school but i had to talk to another professor, this one didn't understood fully the process of the resonance, so he couldn't help me design the lsolation transformer i wanted, buts ok i'm going to try it empirically. He suggested me to make simulation of the model of the transformer with psim. He told me however that would be better to well design the vic as only one unity. I just thought of this cause of meyer mentions to pulse shaping network, witch in my point of view would really help improving the design. I will come back there with some of meyer diagrams next time so they can identify something i couldn't as a musician. =)


Hope i will be able to use the winding machine in the university to make some more transformers. This would make my life easier.


My intention here is to let you know what i do wrong and right so you me and all can learn from my trials and errors wish all could do this.


I would like to buy some materials to make the cell having a delrin around it but got no money this time, so i will have to get what i have to work, otherwise no deal.


This makes things easier cause we got to do what we got to do. = )


B.r.
Sebs