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Re: Bob Boyce
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2009, 13:06:36 pm »
Hi Cowboyrx,
 Why don't you post the rest of the information that has caused this response and the post that I will be putting in reply, Sorry Steve but you have to see all the information, not one side.
and Steve I will be posting the info that is relevant to the working and setting up of this 101cell, wouter on that site has asked me to continue.  The big problem has been the lack of information that has been left out of the D9, and some of the information in it is not correct as well.
Well Steve I have bought some more parts to 'repair the PWM3F board, and I will be adding some refinements, and doing a retest, and so it will be the last try.
well I will catch up with this later
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« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2009, 13:16:22 pm »
Hi coyboyrx
ok  thank you for the 'old Bob Boyce OUpower stuff I haven't been on that site for awhile.
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« Reply #66 on: February 25, 2009, 13:42:55 pm »
Hi Cowboyrx,
 Why don't you post the rest of the information that has caused this response and the post that I will be putting in reply, Sorry Steve but you have to see all the information, not one side.
and Steve I will be posting the info that is relevant to the working and setting up of this 101cell, wouter on that site has asked me to continue.  The big problem has been the lack of information that has been left out of the D9, and some of the information in it is not correct as well.
Well Steve I have bought some more parts to 'repair the PWM3F board, and I will be adding some refinements, and doing a retest, and so it will be the last try.
well I will catch up with this later
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I am only posting the info we can use to understand Bob's resonance drive. To date, no one else but Bob has been able to produce high volumes of gas (75-100 LPM)  using low Amps. I also have a smaller than 101 plate series cell built with the toroid, 3 freq board, chokes, etc. But don't have the electronics knowledge and experience like some of you. Bob is definitely keeping it a secret and recently mentioned that he declined a $300 million offer to 'shelve his resonance drive' by a major automaker. He is the only person alive that we have seen who claims 'resonance.'  I don't doubt that his technology works.

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Re: Bob Boyce
« Reply #67 on: February 25, 2009, 17:50:14 pm »
Hi Steve
                  guess what I have been banned from workingwatercar, must have been the last post I sent in, maybe they do not like is being found out, I expect that Hydroxcy, and the the others will follow, well I don't care it is what we have found out and that's bad luck if they do not like it. photobucket will carry more pic, the reason it was there is that one was a few
megbytes long. I have more to go on there and there will be a continuation here if thats ok with you Steve.
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Its a shame they banned you, Aussepom!
I also have my doubts on the Bob setup. I know that Wouter and Watkij are trying their best on this and they have contact with Bob.
I also produced all kind of waveforms with my circuits here.....
The only thing from Bob that made sense was the idea of destablizing the water with multiple frequency's....
Looks like the more dirtier the signal from your circuit with coils, the better..... ;)

Well, if  others want to come over here, to develope further the Bob system, its fine by me.
I watched yr video's. You made a nice setup there.
BUT please watch out with that big cell. There is a lot of space on top of it where hydroxy is stored.......
Before you know it, you blow yr house up..


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Please use dots in your texts...Its much better to read it with those dots... :D ;)



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Re: Bob Boyce
« Reply #68 on: February 25, 2009, 19:52:47 pm »
Hi there Coyboyrx, and you Steve
Ok it seem that we all agree that Bob has been holding back, I have at the moment got his attention and I am backing him into a corner to answer some questions.   It is being done for a reason on the warteforall site, wouter is on my side and has contacted me by private email, and I sent him the post that I think caused the problem. All I was doing was to offer advice to three new guys, who were not sure of any thing. I pointed then to Pat Perlies controller, that may have upset him, I also said some thing about 'his precious HEX controller" How with the right tools any one could get hold of them and programme in what ever they like. I did it many years ago BY HAND NO PROGAMMER TO DO IT.
I have got some more info out of him and with the next post that is almost ready it should get him to answer some more questions, he needs to do it as he wants wouter on his side.
I will be repairing the board hopefully this weekend, and I hope to run some more tests and try to may a better vid to explain things.
Ok I will catch you later.
Oh by the way how much concentration do you use ?  with KOH or do you use the Na whatever?
I have only use up to 10 % , the big 100 cell unit that Ian has got I am not sure what he has used.
Any idea what Bob used?
The reason is when we tested it at 4amps, the voltage across the cell was 204VDC, we only got 4.6ltrs per min. now in the last post on the wouter site, there seems some confusion.
 Bob Boyce is saying that "you only need a few hundred milli amps through the cell, but did not say any figure!!  Then the following post a Mr Rowland, says that "to adjust the voltage across the cell to give you 1.5v per cell, so that comes out to 150v, and what ever the current is at that point is ok.
I have an Idea that Bob Boyce goes as high as 25 to 30%, concentration, this is far to high, at 30% you will destroy the SS coating.
Ok bye for now      ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #69 on: February 25, 2009, 23:45:27 pm »
I think Bob is already open with the KOH concentration: he says to use 1/3 by volume. His cell is by no means low current.

If you want a real low current HV setup try a half bridge circuit similar to rice cooker and induction hob circuits. The trick is a full wave AC.

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« Reply #70 on: February 25, 2009, 23:51:14 pm »
http://stores.homestead.com/hydrogengarage/-strse-THE-CELL/Categories.bok

Why dont you just buy the dam thing , its gonna cost you the same exact thing to build your own anyways ... Not to mention the trouble you will go throught and all the unknown variables to frustrate you .

Seriously , you think he's gonna tell anything ? He has chosen to sell his product and rightfully so , revealing his secret will hurt his business .


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Re: Bob Boyce
« Reply #71 on: February 26, 2009, 00:18:00 am »
Hi there Coyboyrx, and you Steve
Ok it seem that we all agree that Bob has been holding back, I have at the moment got his attention and I am backing him into a corner to answer some questions.   It is being done for a reason on the warteforall site, wouter is on my side and has contacted me by private email, and I sent him the post that I think caused the problem. All I was doing was to offer advice to three new guys, who were not sure of any thing. I pointed then to Pat Perlies controller, that may have upset him, I also said some thing about 'his precious HEX controller" How with the right tools any one could get hold of them and programme in what ever they like. I did it many years ago BY HAND NO PROGAMMER TO DO IT.
I have got some more info out of him and with the next post that is almost ready it should get him to answer some more questions, he needs to do it as he wants wouter on his side.
I will be repairing the board hopefully this weekend, and I hope to run some more tests and try to may a better vid to explain things.
Ok I will catch you later.
Oh by the way how much concentration do you use ?  with KOH or do you use the Na whatever?
I have only use up to 10 % , the big 100 cell unit that Ian has got I am not sure what he has used.
Any idea what Bob used?
The reason is when we tested it at 4amps, the voltage across the cell was 204VDC, we only got 4.6ltrs per min. now in the last post on the wouter site, there seems some confusion.
 Bob Boyce is saying that "you only need a few hundred milli amps through the cell, but did not say any figure!!  Then the following post a Mr Rowland, says that "to adjust the voltage across the cell to give you 1.5v per cell, so that comes out to 150v, and what ever the current is at that point is ok.
I have an Idea that Bob Boyce goes as high as 25 to 30%, concentration, this is far to high, at 30% you will destroy the SS coating.
Ok bye for now      ;D ;D ;D
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I believe that I have the Brute force part down in large series cells and he doesn't appear to be holding much back on that one. The low output reason for your cell is low electrolyte. You need to have 28% of KOH by weight and dare not increase your voltage more than 2.5V per cell  i.e, 100*2.5=250V or you will burn the surface on your plates and will have to start over with sanding/conditioning/etc. If you have 28% concentration, apply no more than 1.9V per cell and you will see the cell will pull a lot of current and will also produce a lot of gas. You should easily get 180% to 200% Faraday (12-15MMW) You water level must be more than 0.5" below the top of the plate. So, for active surface area, your current draw should not exceed 0.5A/sq. in ( 6x5/2=15A) Your gas production should be close to 190x15x12=~34LPM) This is for Brute force only, after the cell has been warmed up to 45-55 deg C and had been conditioned for several days.

You must read the d9.pdf  for how to prepare the cell for resonance. PM me if you want specific details.