Bob Boyce

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OBIWAN where are you?

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I am here, young Skywalker...:-)

Bill,

Its an interesting theory. Have you and your researchers already made any kind of testsetup to verify/confirm this? I can confirm to you that the wfc acts like: battery, capacitor, resistor and isolator. I also know that we can use any kind of circuit to power the wfc. Each of them will give you gas. One with less power and the other one with more power.
The proces of electron extracting works. I confirmed it. You can extract current from a charged wfc. But only when you charged it first.
If you wanna test with that, i can give you some tips, if you like.
 
br
Obiwan Kenobi

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I would love to know how to extract electrons from charged water. Could you please give me and others the info we need to do this. Thanks.

[mrgalleria]

Aloha,

Sorry, I thought that it was clear that this is what Stan was doing. I believe that the reason we are having so much trouble making progress is because, although we know what was done and what components were used, we don't  understand where we are going.

If you can add current to break waters bonds, and if the three primary elements in water are hydrogen, oxygen, and electricity, why are not we considering the most obvious option? You believe that you can take oxygen from water? You believe that  that you can take hydrogen from water? Why don't you know and understand that you can take electricity from water?

Do you understand the basic natural laws of electrical saturation? That law is that everything in our atmosphere, according to it's nature (wood, iron, rock, water) has electrical saturation. Anything with a surplus of saturation, say an iron pole in wind, will release that surplus at the first opportunity. Anything with a deficiency of saturation will decompose if it is not allowed to draw in more electricity from the plentiful supply all around us in the enviroment.

Of all substances that we know of, water seems to be the most willing to co-operate with it's decomposition and transmutation. At the slightest hint, water will become steam, mist, vapor, liquid, solid. It will become a fuel as hydrogen/oxygen and in spite of us just turn back into water.

Big coils and inductors do more than generate voltage spikes. They can also act as a current vacuum as part of their process. Have you not read that in pulsed electrolisis, it is during the off cycle that the hydrogen is generated? How do you understand this? How do you explain this?
Bill
P.S. My brother has written for Lucas on Star Wars projects. True.

[mrgalleria]

Aloha,
Here is a post of Bob Boyce (in Yahoo- group Hydroxy- from 04/30/08) which I consider of some interest in the current discussion-

In answer to the question of why the H- is not attracted to the
anodes, it is because in a resonance drive system, the applied per-
cell potential is intended to be kept well below that which flows
substantial current. Only enough potential is applied to entrain the
water so that the polar molecules line up. The attaction is small due
to this low per-cell potential, still, some undesired interaction
does take place, which typically results in about 500 mA of current
through a well designed and prepared cell stack. I call this quescent
current.

As far as the source of the electrons, at the points in the cells
where these LEM standing waves collide, it appears that the high
energy collision of these LEM waves results in copious formation
of "new" electrons mid-solution. Tom Beardon was telling me that
these electrons may be popping into existance from the "virtual
particle flux", or some similar verbage. I am not as well versed on
his theory as he is, but something odd is taking place that is very
easy to replicate. The hardest part is getting the tuning right so
that this takes place within the cells instead of in the wiring.

This exact same phenomonae have been observed to occur in the
secondary winding of a properly wound and driven toroid. While
observing the primary induced AC waveforms on the secondary of an un-
biased toroid, there is a strong HV DC potential that appears to come
from "nowhere" that can be used to directly charge up a capacitor or
battery bank. It is exactly this odd behavior that has driven me and
a couple of other researchers to continue researching this device as
a direct power generator that taps directly into this environmental
energy. This behavior is fully replicable with less than 2 watts of
drive energy applied to a hydroxy gas wound toroid, if the drive
waveforms are correct. Oh, and the polarity of the DC can be changed
by altering the way the toroid is wound and / or driven.

As far as the oxygen being produced monoatomic, I have no way to
verify one way or another. There is such a surplus of electrons
produced by this process that everything that comes in contact with
the hydroxy gas gets negatively charged. I refuse to use any metal
components in the hydroxy gas flow path anymore, as I hate getting
badly shocked by touching things that should not be shocking me ;-)

Bob

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Aloha,

Sorry, I thought that it was clear that this is what Stan was doing. I believe that the reason we are having so much trouble making progress is because, although we know what was done and what components were used, we don't  understand where we are going.

If you can add current to break waters bonds, and if the three primary elements in water are hydrogen, oxygen, and electricity, why are not we considering the most obvious option? You believe that you can take oxygen from water? You believe that  that you can take hydrogen from water? Why don't you know and understand that you can take electricity from water?

Do you understand the basic natural laws of electrical saturation? That law is that everything in our atmosphere, according to it's nature (wood, iron, rock, water) has electrical saturation. Anything with a surplus of saturation, say an iron pole in wind, will release that surplus at the first opportunity. Anything with a deficiency of saturation will decompose if it is not allowed to draw in more electricity from the plentiful supply all around us in the enviroment.

Of all substances that we know of, water seems to be the most willing to co-operate with it's decomposition and transmutation. At the slightest hint, water will become steam, mist, vapor, liquid, solid. It will become a fuel as hydrogen/oxygen and in spite of us just turn back into water.

Big coils and inductors do more than generate voltage spikes. They can also act as a current vacuum as part of their process. Have you not read that in pulsed electrolisis, it is during the off cycle that the hydrogen is generated? How do you understand this? How do you explain this?
Bill
P.S. My brother has written for Lucas on Star Wars projects. True.

Hi Bill,


I like to read al this theory. But in practisch, what can we do with it.
If you use 2 plates and push water thru it into a hose and then into 2 other plates, you have your setup. On the first 2 plates you put power, and you put a lightbulp/transformer on the second 2 plates.
The theory is that you get ride of electrons in the water. No electrons, no covalent bondings....
I have light a bulp that way. So that works. I didnt measure correctly the amps and volts on both set of plates. I will in the near future..

No offense, but i have seen so many theory,s but nody proved it. Maybe a coil is a current vacuum. I believe what i and Brian have seen and have tested. A coil , when pulsed creates a magnetic field and when the pulse goes off, the magnetic field collapses and current flows from that. That change happens with help of something like photons. Its to complex to explain, but  you can see it happening on a scope. The high voltage spike happens in the off time of the pulse and when the coil is correctly wired, the spike goed into the wfc.
It is possible that that spike is hitting hard on the watermolecule.
For sofar...


br
steve

[mrgalleria]

Aloha,
Stevie- Did you say what happens to the electrons when you separate the hydrogen and oxygen in mass?
Bill-Lea

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Hello fellow enthusiasts! This is my first post here and I would like to share my results. I am electronically challenged so please don't ask me to explain mathematical theories or why it works. I, like many others, have been using 302 plates from H. Depot. I learned, from a metal place here in FL. , that when the boaters use stainless (even 316) on their railings, it must be treated with acetic acid or it will corrode. I place the plates in tupperware container with white vinegar for a week before I use them. Before I do that, I sand the plates N & South and E & West, rinse them off in distilled water and then put them in the container. As Boyce said, wear gloves and keep your fingerprints off of them. After a week in the vinegar, I rinse them off with distilled water and let them dry. Next, following Boyces instructions, I bundle them all together and wrap 6 turns of copper wire around them. One end of the wire goes to the positive terminal of the battery and I quickly touch the other end to the negative end of the battery (a dozen times or so.) For some reason, my production is much greater than not doing this, and the plates don't show any sign of corrosion..despite that they're 302. I use 13 plates, one negative and one positive with all neutrals in between. Enjoy