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hydro

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Re: Bob Boyce
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2008, 04:18:05 am »
i like your attitude, and i like you! all the circuits do tend to relate. it has to work and you have to show proof that it works to patent it the way stanley did. Stan showed his work and proved it because he wanted that patent, and because of proof his patents was not denied. You have to have a patent even though the patent is not exactly what you're using, its called patent protection! you are not required to to put your actual protocol schematics etc,, into a patent, however the protocol in the patent may have major differences to the unit the patent is for. there is no law that requires you to patent the actual device, its patent protection. Sure, you will see alot of patents with the actual device in the patent, but there is times you will see a device, compare it to the patent and say hey, the patent is not related to this device at all? whats going on here? patent protection!


its nice that you're looking very deep into one of stanleys patents and comparing it to others work, but i feel you are spending more time on that device than stanley meyers spent on it. he used it to get what he wanted, the resonate circuit hooked to a resonate cell will never produce that type of gas in a good time range, it is energy efficient! it had to be to get the patent! thats why it works for its size. 

if you was to hook 2 chokes in series with a fuel cell, you would see that the chokes would Block Current from the power source, at the same time the chokes is being charged they form a magnetic field around the core. this magnetic core is what blocks amp flow from the power device. when the power source is turned off the Magnetic field within the chokes collapses, the chokes forms a series like boost threw the power source sourcing backwards threw the diode. and there will be times the transformer is also working with the fuel cell. This shows and proves the vic, it can not be denied, it works. But the Deviced used to gain this patent had nothing to do with what stan was after, due to the patent laws stan was able to patent something that worked, to use something other than what was in the patent. stan was a business man.

Since it is now public, and it is in the public domain, we now know that when stan ran his car on hydroxy he used 12.5 volts at 40 amps, 500 watts. He also stated that each tube was 12.5 volts 4.4 amps, 55 watts. he used 9 tubes meaning all 9 tubes at 55 watts adds up to be 500 watts. and this is the vic as you will also find in the documents that has been leaked into the public domain. The amount of gas produced was 7 liters in 1 min, 116cc's  a ssecond, or around 12 cc's a tube, "that was no lie"

hydro

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Re: Bob Boyce
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2008, 10:00:43 am »
in your above circuit, it looks like you are trying to get very high volts across a conductor.

The high volts stanly talks about when he talks about the vic is the volts across the upper choke, L1 i think it is. Also the fuel cell takes a small charge. Stanley measures the volts just after the diode, and just before the cap on the negative side, so you would have L1 + C wich is greater than the input voltage. and you will find that the higher the voltage in this area means less gas, i have personally seen a vic that i've created go beyond 2 thousand volts powerd from a 12 volt source, where i was probably pulsing at around 5 or 6 volts.

Stan has also said that L1 was a Amp inhibiting coil, and Also he said this choke was a Frequency Doubler. So if you can applie the dave lawton circuit to a transformer to ring the chokes and pulse the chokes, you have chokes that is resonating double the freq that the transformer is resonating at, so this means there will come a time when the back emf from the chokes are in series with the transformer, if the chokes is not double the freq of the transformers output than you will never see this LC action happen, but you will see high volts. when the LC action happens the amps after L1 and before the cap is greater than the amps Before L1, this is true because when the chokes are being charged the cell is acting as a resistor because the amps are being restricted, when the source stops restricting the amps there is a collapse and then the Cap then acts as an conductor, and capacitor.

what everyone thinks is, the water fuel cell is a conductor, but stan hit a freq, the freq of water wich allowed high volts to be shown across the fuel cell. Stan did not say that the high volts was across the fuel cell, he talked in riddles, like for example, the voltage would go to infinity if the electronics would allow it. and he says that the water fuel cell takes on a charge. this leads you to believe that he is charging the cap and the cap has high voltage across it because he tuned into the resonate frequency of water. Nothing stanley says is a lie, everything works as stan says it works, and he explaines it well, the problem is people missunderstand what stan is saying, why? for one stan says it in such a way to confuse you because he wants it to confuse you. its all part of his protection.

alot of the problem is you guy's dont have the dvd's on stan, they are very very boaring to watch, but if you have these dvd's and you sit down and you watch them, the more he talks the more he tells on his self. he is a good guy and very very clever, but if you dont know what to look for and how to determine whats going on then theres no hope. alot of the truth is in the dvd's. but i picked up my knowledge on stan over a years period hardcore testing and using stan for a hero.

if you have built this circuit im sure there is somewhere you can use it in this system for a nailgun, so its not a wast of time. i have made many circuits and thrown them away time after time. it came to a point to where i was making so many circuits i had to learn how to start etching them, thats how bad it got for me. alot of effort is put into this hobby by many people and effort is what it takes to make us see the truth.

anyways this is my point of view of the situation, im very sure water does have a resonate frequency and if you find it and amplify it im sure water will just fall apart! maybe stan found this magic freq when he used just 12 volts 40 amps to the cell from the alternator. then again, if he found resonance dont you think he would have produced more than just 7 liters a min? again, stan said voltage across his cells was 12.5 volts, and he said that the alternator restricted amps, and it does! so i guess stan hit resonance at 12 volts 40 amps. i am talking about the setup that ran stans car, the one that got it going down the road!

the alternator does indeed restrict lots of amps. stan uses pulsed dc, he also has 9 tubes. its so great how he did this! the guy is amazing!   

hydro

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Re: Bob Boyce
« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2008, 11:55:57 am »
This is and example of the vic when the chokes are not double the freq of the input freq.

hydro

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Re: Bob Boyce
« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2008, 11:59:34 am »
and here is what happens when the chokes is double the freq.

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Re: Bob Boyce
« Reply #36 on: April 26, 2008, 15:09:34 pm »
Since it is now public, and it is in the public domain, we now know that when stan ran his car on hydroxy he used 12.5 volts at 40 amps, 500 watts. He also stated that each tube was 12.5 volts 4.4 amps, 55 watts. he used 9 tubes meaning all 9 tubes at 55 watts adds up to be 500 watts. and this is the vic as you will also find in the documents that has been leaked into the public domain. The amount of gas produced was 7 liters in 1 min, 116cc's  a ssecond, or around 12 cc's a tube, "that was no lie"
Hydrocars

Are you basing your  figures of 500 watts and 55 watts on page 60 of the test report?
Also, what was your calculation to get to the 7 liters per minute?
7 lpm is not that much!
I always thought that one need roughly 1 lpm to power a 1 horsepower engine.
But if Stan powered his buggy using only 7 lpm, that is indeed GREAT news!
It must be the quality of the gas making the difference....

Wouter
« Last Edit: April 26, 2008, 17:22:24 pm by passion1 »

hydro

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Re: Bob Boyce
« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2008, 21:42:48 pm »
Since it is now public, and it is in the public domain, we now know that when stan ran his car on hydroxy he used 12.5 volts at 40 amps, 500 watts. He also stated that each tube was 12.5 volts 4.4 amps, 55 watts. he used 9 tubes meaning all 9 tubes at 55 watts adds up to be 500 watts. and this is the vic as you will also find in the documents that has been leaked into the public domain. The amount of gas produced was 7 liters in 1 min, 116cc's  a ssecond, or around 12 cc's a tube, "that was no lie"
Hydrocars

Are you basing your  figures of 500 watts and 55 watts on page 60 of the test report?
Also, what was your calculation to get to the 7 liters per minute?
7 lpm is not that much!
I always thought that one need roughly 1 lpm to power a 1 horsepower engine.
But if Stan powered his buggy using only 7 lpm, that is indeed GREAT news!
It must be the quality of the gas making the difference....

Wouter

yes 7 liters per min, that is 116.6 cc's in 1 second. Its on page 60. i disagree that the measurements was perfect, but i do agree he produced around 7 liters a min. i say this because i think he produced 6.2 liters and not 7 liters. but he had 116 cc's of hydroxy per second, so in 1 second does all 4 pistons go threw the intake stroke? and also your ambient air mix, then you find that he used  about a 1500 cc engine, somewhere around that line.

well, you divide 1500, if thats what it was, by 4. this leaves you with 375 cc's per cylinder you would need. Now is that 375 cc's per cylinder pure gas or will you need  a gas to air ratio? so 375 - 116 = 259 and.. so does this look right? does 116 part gas and 259 part ambient air look to be a good ratio for hydrogen? EGR etc,, 116--259

then again, all pistons may have not seen 116 cc's of gas. im not sure how many times them pistons goes up in 1 second. i think 116 cc's of gas in enough to run 2 cylinders, that would leave you with 58 cc's a cylinder and it would work right out this way.

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hydro

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Re: Bob Boyce
« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2008, 21:52:22 pm »
Albert Einstein had dyslexia, Difficultys in reading.

mrgalleria

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Re: Bob Boyce
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2008, 10:18:35 am »
Aloha,
May I interject a different point of view which would contain the same components as we are already aware of, but with a slightly different goal.
What if the WFC is not a capacitor? What if the WFC is a battery? Many scientists feel that Stans device got it's energy from an unknown source. Coils can produce a doubling of voltage surge when the field colapses, but what else happens? Why does Mr. Boyce build those big toroidals?
Did Stan actually find a mechanical way to de-saturate the electrical component of the water? In the pulses between the voltage surges, was there an electrical desaturation of the stainless tubes, resulting in the electrical binding component in the water being vacuumed into the tubes, resulting in the forced decomposition of the water into the remaining elements hydrogen and oxygen?
This is my belief. It is called an absence of energy. It is shared by some of our favorite researchers.
Bill