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Re: Just trying to recreate the waveform
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2008, 11:07:51 am »
Hi oddball,

its a nice idea that i havent seen before.
As i always say, do something nobody done before and maybe you discover something usefull.

are you going to try this?
Specially 3 small plates with all their own freq to one bigger kathode plate is interesting

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Re: Just trying to recreate the waveform
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2008, 12:29:32 pm »
Yes I will it should be easy to adapt my none series cell to do it, I will just have to change 2 plates and remove 6.

I think it is good to keep trying things and if I get an idea like this I will post it up for anyone to play with if they want to as some people will be faster to test ideas than me.

Here is a simple version not as exciting looking though.

(http://propaholics.wolfchasers.com/uploader/users/oddball/TRIPHASIC%20SERIES%20CELL2.jpg)

I was looking at a posting on youtube and someone said "we can try to create centrifugal forces to spin the molecule and rip it apart" it got me thinking about how the phase shifts may be working and if there was a plate configuration that could aid in this.

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Re: Just trying to recreate the waveform
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2008, 19:01:48 pm »
Centrifugal is like ac. Just like a microwave. So you head the water.

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Re: Just trying to recreate the waveform
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2008, 10:45:54 am »
Yes so the centrifugal idea got me to think about causing erratic molecular movement.
Also some people say that the molecule has different components that resonate at different frequencies so if these components are not only resonated but also pulled in different directions maybe we can find a new direction to experiment.

So this morning I thought back to the tube idea that people like so much. I have said to fit the 3 phase tube inside a plastic tube to reduce wasted current leakage from the outer skin of the pipe also the 3 inner conductors can be bonded to it as an insulator.

(http://propaholics.wolfchasers.com/uploader/users/oddball/TRIPHASIC%20CELL3.jpg)

If the Hydrogen atom has a different shape and physical weight to the Oxygen atom then they also will have a different point of resonance.
Anyway just kicking some ideas around with you. :-\
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Re: Just trying to recreate the waveform
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2008, 12:06:43 pm »
Hi oddball

these are all good things to investigate.
remove the cells from this one and hook up the one you drawn
See what happens. who knows ! ;)

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Re: Just trying to recreate the waveform
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2008, 13:03:41 pm »
Well as soon as I have 3 phases or frequencies to do it with I will.
I had an old tester box from work so have made this for it.
I was just going to have a pos and neg O/P but now I think I will go for A, B & C then I have more to play with.
Yes I know it is a bit elaborate for a test set but I think 3 outputs are the way to go with this so I can keep changing the internals until I like what it does. :D

Here is a video I made on the 26/01/08 but it is dark as I made it at night it is using a version of the simple GATE osc I have in my diagrams but I think I can clean up the waveform shape with some work.
 

The scope was connected accross the cell plates after the torroid transformer.

Here is a new video today of the new osc.
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Re: Just trying to recreate the waveform
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2008, 14:49:04 pm »
Yes I will it should be easy to adapt my none series cell to do it, I will just have to change 2 plates and remove 6.

I think it is good to keep trying things and if I get an idea like this I will post it up for anyone to play with if they want to as some people will be faster to test ideas than me.

Here is a simple version not as exciting looking though.

(http://propaholics.wolfchasers.com/uploader/users/oddball/TRIPHASIC%20SERIES%20CELL2.jpg)

I was looking at a posting on youtube and someone said "we can try to create centrifugal forces to spin the molecule and rip it apart" it got me thinking about how the phase shifts may be working and if there was a plate configuration that could aid in this.


I did some tests with series cells at 12 V and I am not impressed with anything over about 3 plates.
I found the best set up to be   - N + N - N + N -  and so on N=  1 single neutral plate all with a spacing of 1.5mm between them so the above cell set up would have to be changed as I do not rate this 8 plate series system for 12 volts.
I will post a video of my cell that pulls 4 A when I get a chance, so it is a parallel cell with neutral plates.
So I only have 1 neutral plate between + & - I suppose this is performing a potential divider function and making 6V cells which seem to produce good gas for less current then a full parallel system.

So it is as you guys say you need decent voltage & current to get gas so if you are determined it is a frequency/ waveform + current that is doing the work then don't bother with a transformer just try a neutral plate. ;)

However I get the idea that the transformer will increase the current and drop the voltage in theory but for people testing with plate set ups a neutral plate is worth a test.
If I add 2 neutral plates between each + & - it will create 3V cells and the voltage seems too low to get good gas production but this will also be because the current will drop much more with 2 neutral plates.
 
With a single neutral plate you are only increasing the dielectric gap to 2 to 3mm from your 1 to 1.5mm minimum gap so current flow is at maximum that will allow bubble flow between the plates.

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Re: Just trying to recreate the waveform
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2008, 21:11:59 pm »
where did you hooked up the bifilares ? topsykretts