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Basis of Stan Meyer...only voltage
« on: December 12, 2010, 00:36:11 am »
These are some of my thoughts on how the basics of how Stan used a voltage field with minimal current going through the water.

I think this follows the K.I.S.S. method and the quote "I can't believe no one thought of this".

If your reading this and don't know, the ends of a center tap transformer are 180 degrees out of phase with each other, with respect to the center tap. I looked for a picture to describe this, but didn't find a good one.  My drawing skills are not good unless you need a stick man.

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Re: Basis of Stan Meyer...only voltage
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2010, 02:02:31 am »
Those two systems don't go together.Your mixing two different systems.The picture of the cell you posted is for the resonant system.The circuit your showing is for another cell type.I've never seen that circuit used on any cell type in Stans collection.I don't think that Stan used alot of his ideas.
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Re: Basis of Stan Meyer...only voltage
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2010, 16:02:23 pm »
Those two systems don't go together.Your mixing two different systems.The picture of the cell you posted is for the resonant system.The circuit your showing is for another cell type.I've never seen that circuit used on any cell type in Stans collection.I don't think that Stan used alot of his ideas.
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Hi Don, you mean the sync pulse is meant for the injector. Stan call the injector resonant cavity pretty much the same.- what you think about this?


@itzon i tried this configuration without success anyway i need to assume i didn't investigated too profoundly. Wish you could. make the coils air core or almost.




In my point of view this circuit causes a resonance 180° out phased that why he call it sync pulse. I played a lot with simulations on this, you can easily find my posts with the simulations on the search.


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Re: Basis of Stan Meyer...only voltage
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2010, 21:22:26 pm »
Those two systems don't go together.Your mixing two different systems.The picture of the cell you posted is for the resonant system.The circuit your showing is for another cell type.I've never seen that circuit used on any cell type in Stans collection.I don't think that Stan used alot of his ideas.
Don

I respectfully disagree.

IMO everything in the tech brief with regards to the VIC has to do with a resonant cavity of some sort, whether it is an injector, spherical cavity, or the delrin encapsulated tubes.  The VIC has the same function in all configurations...produce a voltage field and restrict amps.

I guess I didn't specify that I am trying to make the tri-coil   configuration and it will be center tapped on the secondary winding.    The secondary and resonant charging chokes will be 36AWG, primary 22AWG.  The resonant charging chokes will be wound with twisted wire, per the tech brief(mentioned several times in the brief) to get capacitance to the max between the chokes.  Will also test twisted pair on the primary to try and get max magnetic field.  The core will be 2 laminated C type cores that are layered in a step configuration so they fit together without to much gap.  I don't have them made yet...something else on a long list of things yet to do.

The center tap configuration makes the most sense to me electrically, in order to keep normal electrolysis/current flow across the water to a minimum.  The pulses applied to the inner and outer tubes should be 180 degrees out of phase, or very close to it.


A center tap isn't necessarily limited to one secondary winding.  The picture you posted of Stan's VIC with separate windings on the ferrite rectangular core could have, or can be wired that way too.  If the chokes were wired in series, the center tap would be where the two chokes connect together, due to them being coupled in the same magnetic field.  EDIT: I don't know what I was thinking, there is only one secondary winding in this setup, so it can't be easily center tapped.

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My goal is to get some firm data that we can all use.  I have good test equipment to provide real data, and if I don't have it I can probably get access to it.

I have not done this simulation yet.  I've wasted a lot of time playing with simulators in the past, and I would just rather get some components built and find out their real values first.  Been spending too much time on the internet and not enough time getting stuff built.


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Re: Basis of Stan Meyer...only voltage
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 22:26:56 pm »
Those two systems don't go together.Your mixing two different systems.The picture of the cell you posted is for the resonant system.The circuit your showing is for another cell type.I've never seen that circuit used on any cell type in Stans collection.I don't think that Stan used alot of his ideas.
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The herd of people("us"), wants to be somewhere else/do things differently than we have been doing.  If we all are looking in the same direction/doing the same things, we are not going to get where we want to be/or change the way "things" are done.

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Re: Basis of Stan Meyer...only voltage
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 23:30:55 pm »
Ok Itzon,


Start making a cell with a rod inside and with water inlet just like the drawing. Than make the vic that should have the primary and the secondary and the chokes on it except the amp inhibiting coil.


I would make the coils as described by stan 200 primary 600 secondary and 100 turns each choke i would use 22awg for the primary and maybe 28 for the secondary and 22 again for the chokes, so as the pulsing circuit, i mean using bipolar transistors. For the sake of the replication precision make it close to the picture don showed of the vic. With the chokes separated. I believe there will be too high voltage between them.


I think that the amp inhibiting coil should be high inductance, i think that we need to account for the capacitance of the water inlet to the plates. While the resonant frequency will be matched by the charging chokes by the plates to plate capacitance.


I think might be important the position of the ground in reference to the cavity, mind that.


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Basis of Stan Meyer...only voltage
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 07:09:31 am »
Have you tried rectifying each of the outputs (using 3 diodes)? The result will be similar to an alternator output.
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