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Water Droplets
« on: October 18, 2010, 06:14:02 am »
Usually most of us consider water to have three phases... Ice, liquid, and vapor. In this writing, I will offer another option that many will not consider but should be better understood for reasons pertaining to the writings of Stanley Meyer and possibly how he came up with the equations and terms he documented in his works. There is a fourth state of water that has very different properties than the usual three phases we are so used to seeing and interacting with in day to day life. Water droplets act much more differently in certain environments where the other three phases of water are not affected in the same manner. Consider the following...

By simply pouring water from any common container, we can see how water will tend to self ionize, take on a charge, and as a result break up into droplets. This is a well known phenomena that has been documented for quite some time. A popular experiment called the "Kelvin water dropper" shows how these droplets take on a charge as they pass through ambient air. We also can see these effects in nature in the form of thunderclouds. These clouds are made up of trillions of droplets that in mass, not only take on a charge but also form huge "Charge Separations" resulting in massive potentials often producing lightning. And as most of you know all to well from your personal experiments, lightning is a discharge much like an arc between two plates as a voltage differential builds between the them.

The reason I consider water droplets to be a fourth phase is to the fact that ice, liquid, nor vapor can take on a charge as tremendously as water droplets. No where in nature or in the lab can we see the same properties as droplets have with charging and discharging. You will have to come to your own conclusions as to why this is, for, I have not the time to explain it in full detail. I have tried several times in the not so distant past with failure. I just plain suck at writing stuff like this. Hopefully I can relay the information well enough for at least one of you reading this to make the connections as I did.

It is also well known that a Van de Graaff device cannot achieve high static potentials in a relatively humid environment. The reason for this is that vapor is most often directly in contact with earth ground allowing the charge to be quickly discharged to the ground plane. The same is with water as lightning does not pass through liquid bulk water as if it was the ground plane itself. Simple water electrolysis exhibits this same effect. We cannot acheive high positive potentials because the conductivity of liquid water allows the charge to dissapate to ground whether it is earth or virtual. Droplets do not posses this conductivity as the ambient air surrounding the droplets adds to the resistance and dielectric properties allowing a much higher potential to develop without any or very little discharge.

That's all I can write for now. I hope to add to this writing and maybe discuss if any choose to. Later, I will try to tackle other topics such as hydrogen bonds under voltage, resonant cavities, and resonant action within the cavity.

All criticism and comments are welcomed! Thank you!

Bubz (short for Bubbles, taken from the character in"Trailer Park Boys")

P.S. I guess that means I need to change my stage name to Dropz(short for Droplets?)

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Re: Water Droplets
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2010, 10:34:03 am »
Hi Bubz,

For sure the Kelvin system of charging waterdrops is a fenomenon which could be usefull.
Not sure if it is a different state of matter.

If i had money and time, i would make a serie of those Kelvin machines and see how much power it would deliver.
Hook them up to some capacitors and if you have enough of those, you could get a continue powerstream....

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Re: Water Droplets
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2010, 19:21:20 pm »
Hi Steve! Thanks for the post. Although, may I point out, I am not saying a "state of matter", I'm more pointing to a "phase of water". The phase being described as not quite a vapor and at the same time, not quite like a liquid either. I know of no other way to describe it.

quotes from patent #2067735

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The process occurs as water mist and gases are injected under  pressure  into, and intimately mixed in the combustion zone and an electrically  polarized  zone. In the electrically polarized zone, the water mixture is  subjected  to a unipolar pulsed direct current voltage that is tuned to achieve  resonance  in accordance with the electrical, mass and other characteristics of  the  mixture as a dielectric in the environment of the combustion zone. The  resonant frequency will vary according to injector configuration and  depends  upon the physical characteristics, such as mass and volume of water and  gases in the zone.

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In the injector, water mist (forming droplets in the range, for  example,  of from 10 to 250 microns and above, with size being related to voltage  intensity) is injected into fuel-mixing and polarizing zone by way of  water  spray nozzles. The tendency of water to form a bead or droplet is a  parameter related to droplet mist size and voltage intensity. Ionized  air  gases and non-combustible gases, introduced through nozzles,  are intermixed with the expelling water mist to form a fuel-mixture  which  enters into voltage zone where the mixture is exposed to a pulsating,  unipolar high intensity voltage field (typically 20,000 volts at 50 KHz  or above at the resonant condition in which current flow in the  circuit   [amps] is reduced to a minimum), created between electrodes.

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In the voltage zone several functions occur simultaneously to  initiate  and trigger thermal energy yield. Water mist droplets are exposed to  high  intensity pulsating voltage fields in accordance with an electrical  polarization  process that separates the atoms of the water molecule and causes the  atoms  to experience electron ejection. The polar nature of the water molecule  which facilitates the formation of minute droplets in the mist appears  to cause a relationship between the droplet size and the voltage  required  to effect the process, i.e., the greater the droplet size, the higher  the  voltage required.


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Re: Water Droplets
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2010, 23:29:41 pm »
Bubz,

You wrote that you want to start more topics.
What about one that talks about what will happen towards a hydrogen atom with just a nucleus and an oxygen atom with 4 missing electrons trying to merge into water as result of a chemical reaction of burning.
They want to recombine. Mother nature tells them to do so, but they cannot because of lacking electrons to share...
Stan told us many times that that was his great invention.
Plugging electrons from the HHO gas and get those freed electrons out of the gas, leaving over a special mix that will release enormous amounts of power, because the nucleus must compensate.....


Just my suggestion..

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Re: Water Droplets
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2010, 05:13:12 am »
"Stripping electrons from atoms" is Stan's metaphor for positively ionizing atoms, right? So, when an atom loses an electron, it takes on a positive charge. And when an atom takes on an extra electron, it will have a negative charge. Like charges repel, while opposite charges attract. Naturally, we expect positively charged hydrogen and oxygen to repel each other since they are both electron deficient. The part I am unsure of at this time is the combustion of the two gasses. I have not had the luxury of being able to do a safe and cheep way to test such a reaction and I have searched aggressively for such information and have found nothing. Which I find very strange. You would think some one else would have documented the results of two ionized gases being... oxidized? To tell you the truth, it rather boggles my mind. If there is higher thermal energy output from the reaction, where is the extra energy coming from?

Why do microwave ovens always have small holes on the glass of the door?

Laser priming, which is another way to positively ionize atoms. I read a rather interesting atricle you might like to read.
http://www.research-in-germany.de/51208/2010-08-05-ejecting-electrons-,sourcePageId=12362.html

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In their experiments, the physicists allowed laser pulses in the   visible range of the spectrum to encounter krypton atoms. The light   pulses, lasting less than four femtoseconds, in each case ejected an   electron from the outer shells of the atoms. A femtosecond is one   millionth of one billionth of a second. Once a laser pulse has knocked   an electron out of an atom, the atom becomes a positively charged ion.   At the point where the electron has left the atom, a positively charged   hole develops inside the ion. Quantum mechanically, this free space then   continues to pulsate inside the atom as a so-called quantum beat.
The physicists could now directly observe, and virtually   photograph, this pulsation using a second ultraviolet light pulse,   lasting only some 150 attoseconds. It turned out that the position of   the hole inside the ion, i.e., the positively charged location, moved   back and forth between an elongated, club-like shape and a compact,   contracted shape, with a cycle period of only around 6 femtoseconds.   “Thus, for the first time ever, we succeeded in directly observing the   change occurring in the charge distribution inside an atom,” explains   Dr. Eleftherios Goulielmakis, research group leader in Professor Krausz'   team.

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Re: Water Droplets
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2010, 05:52:04 am »
to get those infos you need to go and invade a physics university library...


i believe that this thing about ionizing the gas, prevent the water from reforming, universal energy, is related to cold fusion program, in that or he is isolating the oxygen some how and inject no oxygen inside the combustion chamber you would get under pressure hydrogen and nitrogen basically it would then combine the hydrogen with the nitrogen.. Maybe the ionized oxygen is not allowed to unite with H but nitrogen yes... maybe thats why he recirculated the exhaust having no or less oxygen at some point and probably a big amount of amonia... other way probably he could get a reaction that happens instantly maybe creating amonia and burning it instantly...  think of it the combustible would burn creating n2 and h20


i think is a way for retarding the flame and achieve over unity as the combustible is being created and probably recreated during the process

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Re: Water Droplets
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2010, 13:16:27 pm »
Yes, its related to cold fusion, Sebos.

Ionizing can be done with real lasers, not LEDs.
But also with high voltage frequency's.

My 2 cents are that Stan used the HV and added some LEDS for fun, because that led part was his earlier hobby.

I am sure we can ionize atoms, because i already done that.
The question for me is how to extract the freed electrons from that gas stream after the ionzing proces.

Stan succeeded in this proces and made his own gasmixe to create a magnet gas that ran his EPG. 8) 8)



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Re: Water Droplets
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2010, 06:26:17 am »
Cold fusion? How did you guys come to that conclusion? The only aspect I see the two have in common is they both use electricity...