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Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 00:19:04 am »
Well Steve, if it is Dan Dear..'s circuit then I am all for it.

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Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2010, 17:32:57 pm »
Hello


What you think about this???

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Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2010, 18:26:31 pm »
With the knowledge i gained over the last years i'm now pretty sure that you cannot get decent voltage to the water tubes.


What works:
1. Doubling the pulse with the bifilar coil
2. Limit current thanks to the coil


What does not work:
1. Capacitive behavior of the tubes ("water cap") cannot be achieved with regular water, only with insulation or distilled water
-> If capacitive behavior is achieved, no overunity gas-production
-> If normal water is used, the water 'cap' will only be a resistor and therefore no resonant frequency for the system (only the coil alone) will be found. because of the current restriction the electrolysis gas production will be very low.


I don't think it's possible to create gas by voltage anymore, even a resonant circuit is not achieved without an extra cap, and even if there would not be a gain of gas for the same power.

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Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2010, 18:35:49 pm »


I don't think it's possible to create gas by voltage anymore, even a resonant circuit is not achieved without an extra cap, and even if there would not be a gain of gas for the same power.
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Spot on Bro.

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Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2010, 18:43:00 pm »
i would like to see someone that has a sealed set up do some resistance readings while adding air pressure to their cell via air compressor or compressed gas like co2.. i want to see if the pressure creates a density compaction that changes resistance..

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Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2010, 18:54:42 pm »
Hi haitar


I haven't believed for long time that voltage break the water however, now i do. And for me is the only way.


I believe that any water can be used you just need to create the right coils and input circuit for it...


Meyer clearly stated that the water capacitor have a specific resonant frequency... You just need to supply it with the right impedance and frequency to allow the molecules to oscillate... If your source impedance is lower than the water impedance you will nor be able to cause oscillation... thats because the damping factor will be bigger than 1, just like its designed for speakers (they don't want the speakers to freely oscillate) so the damping factor is designed to be as high as possible by having a low impedance or series resistance source... The damping factor is the opposite of Q factor, and this is main principle behind this resonance witch meyer tAlk about...


I did many research on high Q factor coils and have also spent lots lots money constructing coils with thick wire because i was not understanding that it is not about rlc resonance but RC and that when you discharge an inductor into a low resistance you let flow the amps, instead if you discharge into a high resistance very high voltage will be developed at low current and the most important in very very short period...


Or better


I discovered also that energy will discharge much faster into a high resistance (at high voltage low amps), or better the energy accumulated into an inductor can be discharged much faster than it took to charge the inductor, thus you can concentrate the pulse amplifying the energy of the pulse... If you discharge this same energy into a low resistance you will have high amps and low volts thus the energy will take long time to discharge... Time constant= L/R 


A capacitor time constant instead works different as  Time constant= C*R   thus the lower the resistance the faster the cap energy will discharge...


Thus i believe is just a matter of hard work to develop this. If i could have a good oscilloscope my like would be very easier.. But i still believe that i can make it work even without one. I just need to buy more diodes and wire wire wire and cores and make lots of tests...


The main problem is that i don't have any help to build the circuits and inductors transformers, low budget.. and i do not have even company so i use to get bored and distracted frequently...

@Outlawstc


Could make some difference yes...


but if you add pressure with co2 you will force it to dissolve into the water and it will make water acid... thus conductive...
If air is added maybe the nitrogen will be dissolved but don't know how this could affect...
However pressure could make some difference and a closed cell would be the best to keep the water uncontaminated, i would also add a recirculating pump that force the water to be filtered with osmose reverse...

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Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2010, 19:44:27 pm »
the reason im thinking about it is with stans first run of the car video he said 13. some odd psi and 5 volts to the alternator.. he said to raise production you up voltage.. upping voltage will not only raise electrical potential but also pressure potential.. more production = more expansion = more pressure.. so if resistance does change with pressure.. it will allow for higher resistance at higher production.. not only that but if you look at stans cell in that same video the water is saturated with micro bubbles.. i would consider them higher density disolved gasses .. there not disolved really but they are still proportioned in the contained water.. if it looks like that outside the cell then between the tubes should be the same... gases that are in the water will also up resistance?  if they gasses are in the voltage zone??? 

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Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2010, 21:13:10 pm »
You made A good point...


The bubbles will reduce the effective amount of water between the tubes thus its resistance and the capacitance values... I guess the capacitance will be smaller and resistance greater proportionally... Than if so, the frequency should not change much... only the impedance would change...


interesting...


Pressure could help preventing this bubbles to come out of the water helping too.


I noticed that the voltage on my cell here with rain water take some few seconds to raise...