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Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« on: September 29, 2010, 11:43:28 am »
Hi,


As promised to Sebosfato, i show you all here my new baby.
She is single and filled with destilled water... ;)

The measurements in a dry situation are:
R= NON
C=10pF

The measurements in a wet situation are:
R=3.5kohm
C=200nF

Now of course the trick to use these data to create a LCR resonance step up charging waterfuelcell system.
All input is welcome!!! :D

Steve

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Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2010, 14:27:03 pm »
didn't you do that many times already?  ???

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Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2010, 16:13:27 pm »
Yes, of course. But every day i learn and sometimes i ll get new info....

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Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2010, 18:36:06 pm »
Yes, of course. But every day i learn and sometimes i ll get new info....

So what do you want to try here?

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Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2010, 19:13:55 pm »
Hello steve


Nice Measurement... =)


I think the capacitance is a little bit too high, so I would stay with the calculated value for the specific cell size. might have read this value because 3,5kohm is very different than several mega ohms on everyday capacitors...


I found that if you = Xc and Re you will have the same frequency... So i guess we might get the inductance value from the Re and the frequency related to Re and C...


I found analyzing very well that the resonant charging chokes was wound in the same core and stan used the same length of wire for both because they will be connected as a common choke thus its inductance shaw be = 0 or close to  They serves to catch the collapsed field reversed current and use as kickback voltage to further charge the cell... I still need to think about the winding capacitances... However the resistance of the coil is important as stan said, because an inductive discharge will discharge faster in a high resistance path rather than small one because to discharge all the energy converting it to current you will have back emf over and over again... So the LR discharge equation show T=L/R different from capacitance witch is T=C*R... thats why, the speed of the kick back discharge will depend on the resistance of the wire and also water.. .


The secondary should resonate with the capacitor in the end of the history...
 
The diode has many tasks and should be hyper fast.


What water you used steve? Demineralized or distilled?


I have good news


I believe that i fully understood the schematic proposed by the guy from sri-lanka


Is very easy the timer is only hiding the 5 pin and than the rx is the cell... the resistors net is just a 22,5ohm 60W resistor and the 2n2222 with zener under is the voltage regulator for the 555 timer, i'm trying to find the transistors equivalents and when i have some money to buy the transformer and heat sinks and transistors capacitors and wire ...  i will try it too ... For now i will keep on what i have in my hands except that i'm going to also build with some parts i have here a pulse width variable from 0 up 100% frequency generator with range from 1 to 50khz 
 
well is all for now


Best Regards
Fabio

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Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2010, 21:52:19 pm »
Hello steve


Nice Measurement... =)


I think the capacitance is a little bit too high, so I would stay with the calculated value for the specific cell size. might have read this value because 3,5kohm is very different than several mega ohms on everyday capacitors...


I found that if you = Xc and Re you will have the same frequency... So i guess we might get the inductance value from the Re and the frequency related to Re and C...


I found analyzing very well that the resonant charging chokes was wound in the same core and stan used the same length of wire for both because they will be connected as a common choke thus its inductance shaw be = 0 or close to  They serves to catch the collapsed field reversed current and use as kickback voltage to further charge the cell... I still need to think about the winding capacitances... However the resistance of the coil is important as stan said, because an inductive discharge will discharge faster in a high resistance path rather than small one because to discharge all the energy converting it to current you will have back emf over and over again... So the LR discharge equation show T=L/R different from capacitance witch is T=C*R... thats why, the speed of the kick back discharge will depend on the resistance of the wire and also water.. .


The secondary should resonate with the capacitor in the end of the history...
 
The diode has many tasks and should be hyper fast.


What water you used steve? Demineralized or distilled?


I have good news


I believe that i fully understood the schematic proposed by the guy from sri-lanka


Is very easy the timer is only hiding the 5 pin and than the rx is the cell... the resistors net is just a 22,5ohm 60W resistor and the 2n2222 with zener under is the voltage regulator for the 555 timer, i'm trying to find the transistors equivalents and when i have some money to buy the transformer and heat sinks and transistors capacitors and wire ...  i will try it too ... For now i will keep on what i have in my hands except that i'm going to also build with some parts i have here a pulse width variable from 0 up 100% frequency generator with range from 1 to 50khz 
 
well is all for now


Best Regards
Fabio

Fabio,

I already done the research on the Srilanka schematic.
I have attached it for you.
I must mention that Electrojolt and I had some discussion on the diodes.
So, this schematic is not perfect, yet.
I used destilled water in my test, btw.

@Yaro
I want to prove here that a watertubeset can be charged in a matter that the voltage across the watercap is higher then the voltage of the powersupply output...
Then tune the voltage up til a level of more then 1500V....

Steve

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Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2010, 22:46:21 pm »
cool


i spend all night thinking about this and i was arrived in the same schematic... =)


Just did some tests here i got the resonance but the water was not clear enough, got 50vdc across the water and very few bubbles, i got four 600v60a diodes burned somehow and so it was not developing dc ...


my secondary have about 600 turns and primary 30 and the bifilar coil 152uh the big green one that was in my video...  i'm using 12v 2 amps


at +- 33khz the frequency thn double and become 66khz


secondary is 21mh

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Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 00:00:21 am »
Strangely rain water get up to 35v few bubbles ... the resistance of my coil is 50ohm (i didn't changed the water for ultra pure yet..
I'm thinking that know i just need to add thiner wire as to have more resistance to be able to allow the water cavity to oscillate more...


I now have to make the same tests with the flyback core and the EE core...


Tomorrow i will buy more wire and will try to find some ss wire...


I need some antenna ferrite beads... i believe with that i could have more turns (more resistance) for the same inductance...


I'm very excited but very lazy too hehe


However i'm happy that now my theories are working ...