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Re: Magnet effecting Unipolar Pulses on toroidal Core
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2010, 00:10:44 am »
Here some usefull info, Fabio.
 
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Re: Magnet effecting Unipolar Pulses on toroidal Core
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2010, 22:15:50 pm »
Thank steve


I have seeing those before but thanks anyway-


I have had not much luck here my battery was dead this morning...


I have winded yet another new coil this with small gauge wire for the secondary and the chokes...will check if it works ...

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Re: Magnet effecting Unipolar Pulses on toroidal Core
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2010, 12:03:22 pm »
well i just wrote a lot and everything was lost so here i go again in parts


I have constructed in the last days 2 new transformers, one made with silicon steel E E ( to have more window) laminations having 16mm*22mm of cross section area and bobbins about 20mm wide witch also can be used on the other core witch is a flyback core having 16mm diameter ...


The bobbins are distributed in 3 sections one for the primary 200 turns 22awg one for the resonant charging chokes 100 turns each 22 awg and other for the secondary 600 turns using 28 awg ...


The secondary make up the voltage of the cell... and the charging chokes creates the step charging effect witch doubles the frequency with the help of two diodes and allow the voltage to be stepped up to higher levels than predetermined by coils turns rates..


One of the chokes are connected with fields aiding serially after the secondary separated by one diode... And the other is connected to another diode as to double the frequency and to collapse the field... This one perform a very specific function as it will allow the pulses going to the charging chokes to be unipolar and doing so it allow the choke to discharge all the energy accumulated during the pulse in a fraction of the time taken to charge the choke this means that this short pulse will have very high voltage... However i think that a more controlled electrical switch will be needed to concentrate the magnetic field before the discharge by leaving a brief period of time with no pulse allowing to the magnetic field to concentrate before collapsing... 


Well this high energy short pulse will perform the step charging effect...


The coils and the transformer it self must be able to work at the resonant cavity frequency witch will be determined by F = 1/ R*C or F=1/2Pi*R*C (i'm not sure) witch can be changed by adding capacitors in parallel with the water... to adjust it to the transformer and chokes inductors as to have a tuned circuit... So there are two resonances.. one ( water dielectric constant, resistance and electrodes shape and size )set the frequency and the other tune into it.. However the impedance of the output from the transformer must have an impedance grater than the resonant cavity resistance as to allow the damping factor to be less than one or at the same time allowing the resonant cavity to oscillate. This will create an alternating current inside the water between its capacitance and its resistance all this suffering the action of high electric field DC... thus this oscillation will be the way to achieve high current high voltage needed to break down a lot of water...


Actually i believe that the short pulse will switch off the covalent bounding because its extreme density and than this superimposed oscillation will create the motion in the electric field to create current to split apart the atoms...


well the only problem is that when i connect to the 110dc line i get fireworks and transistors and fuses blowing.


what can i do?


on 12 volts it work but voltage is not enough



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Re: Magnet effecting Unipolar Pulses on toroidal Core
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2010, 19:42:42 pm »
This would explain the cell with variable distance utility too...


And this might also explain the tube cuts... To reach precisely the same capacitance for each tube... to match the frequency with the transformer...


I just got a surprise, my friend brought me 6 tube sets 304 material, the inside tube  1,56 cm outside diameter, long 50cm and outside tube have 1,7cm of inside diameter, this give me a gap of about 0,6mm or 0,023inchs thus my capacitance is around 27,5 nf per tube being 6 tubes will become around 166,5nf...


frequency would be around 12khz thus my inductor for the 6 tubes together would be around 1mh...and XL would be 78


Now to allow the damping factor to be low a good deal of resistance must be present in the secondary of the transformer at least i guess


Now i need to solder the tubes to their bases and


Now i would like to get some acrylic tubes to enclosure the cels ( the inside of the inside tube and outside of the outside tube) and another to put all the cells inside...


I think that i will use nylon wire as spacer

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Re: Magnet effecting Unipolar Pulses on toroidal Core
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2010, 03:41:17 am »
3 inches long cavity composed of 0,75 inches and 0,5 inches tubes having a gap of 0,0625 inches with water would give a capacitance of about 1,3nf having about 24000kohm resistance (pure water) would give from the formula 1/2pi*R*C = 5khz


Than Xc should be = to Re or 24kohm at 5khz


so 1/2*pi*5000*1,3*10^-9= 24000 ohms Xc  Hum

I think that this is the right formula and not 1/RC


What do you think?
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Re: Magnet effecting Unipolar Pulses on toroidal Core
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2010, 11:24:01 am »
3 inches long cavity composed of 0,75 inches and 0,5 inches tubes having a gap of 0,0625 inches with water would give a capacitance of about 8nf having about 4000kohm resistance (pure water) would give from the formula 1/2pi*R*C = 5khz

I think that this is the right formula and not 1/RC


What do you think?

Well, what do we think?
Good question.
I think most of us here hope you find the missing link, ill guess   ;) ;) ;)

For your info, i made here a standalone 3.5 inch tubeset, with the known meyer parameters.
They are placed into an epoxy, so the tube stands right up on his own. The only place where water is, is between the 2 tubes.
So, yes. Another try here too.
I will measure capacitance and resistance soon with plain destilled water and let you know, Fabio.

Your calculations are fine, but i am not sure if they are on the right place here.

I do have an option on your voltage problems. If you want to use the 110V from your walloutlet, then you better add a capacitor inline. That cap will prevend getting too much current in your circuit.












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Re: Magnet effecting Unipolar Pulses on toroidal Core
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2010, 13:12:50 pm »
Thank steve,


I will try that, i thought also of using a big cap in parallel with the full wave bridge rectifier too, and a resistor in series... but i will try this thing about the capacitor too... I should calculate from the voltage and frequency right?


Cool steve, measure the resistance by applying dc voltage and measure the amperage... i used 110 v there was 35ma flowing ... I believe i can get less than that if i make many flushs on the cell with the pure water...


I finishing to paint my new cell it will have 6 stainless steel tube pairs being the outside tube covered in its outside with varnish and the inside of the inside tube also coated with varnish (those for transformer) I did a test with hot water and it didn't seem to come of.. . i hope it don't lead to problems with the conductivity of the water.. but as it is an insulator i guess i will not have problems...  They look like gold remember the color of stan tubes... is just like honey gold.. 


i made this to get a better ratio of resistance and capacitance... my tubes witch i used for measuring the resistance was not insulted and was about 4 inches long having 1 inch diameter the inside tube and 2mm gap  ...




 

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Re: Magnet effecting Unipolar Pulses on toroidal Core
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2010, 12:35:20 pm »
3 inches long cavity composed of 0,75 inches and 0,5 inches tubes having a gap of 0,0625 inches with water would give a capacitance of about 1,3nf having about 24000kohm resistance (pure water) would give from the formula 1/2pi*R*C = 5khz


Than Xc should be = to Re or 24kohm at 5khz


so 1/2*pi*5000*1,3*10^-9= 24000 ohms Xc  Hum

I think that this is the right formula and not 1/RC


What do you think?

I think I am glad i found this forum :)
I have been looking for people working on Meyers stuff, I havent gotton to the real work yet for the last year i have been studying the patents and misc. info
I have a 3 mo project coming up and when i get back home in december im doing nothing but building.
I do have a couple of questions for you guys
 
1. Is there a specific reason for using toroids and not the bobbin type with the primary wraped long. and sec. tubular wraped with chokes on the same.
 
2. Have you experimented with the taper resonant cavity or tested the voltage mulipication of such a taper.