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Re: Dan Danforth replication of Stan Meyer's work, after a meeting with Stan.
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2010, 02:06:11 am »
I'm finishing the prototype this weekend i will have a position. 


I will not use the lawton circuit as i examined and they are not like the principle i have here..


I will use the pll circuit to generate the frequency and maintain resonance as i did in my previous experiments but i will use a duty cycle variable gate made from a 555 timer going into the pin 5 of the pll that will control the number of pulses being applied to the primary and with an invert logic will also activate the amp consuming device witch will be the Damper of the resonance witch i want to achieve, ( as a mean to control the production) ( i don't want all the water inside my chamber to explode, hehe might be dangerous) as the electron extraction circuit will be used in my concept to double the frequency and allow the resonant charging effect thru a second high speed diode when the amp consuming device switch is in off position...


 
I made a very nice schematic, and the all plan for the wave forms needed to achieve what i want, there is only one little thing i need to think about, i need to figure a way to have the gate pulse to the amp switch to only start when the pulse is finished to avoid its conduction during high stress timing.


I'm finishing the vic


I have 2 resonant coils 0,8mm wire  80 turns per coil being one wound over the other in the same direction but with a very good insulation between both ( i used nomex and mylar insulation) the up coil of them i made variable every ten turns, and both got 38 mh


I'm using a ferrite toroidal core about 10cm diameter having about 5000 uh permeability if i remember well HV yellow insulation tape under all windings,


Only the "bifilar" resonant coils are one wounded over the other, the secondary will be separated and primary also for easy of changing...


i just need now to wind up the secondary and primary and solder everything up and will be able to perform 1° tests


I will use 0,27mm wire for the secondary and it will have about 100 turns... while the primary will have 30


when i get the resonance i will than adjust the primary and secondary to the right impedance to reach maximum power transfer..


Z= R1+R2+R3+Re


Z transformation = T^2* Z


My water capacitor have about 1nf is a 4 inch long pair of tubes with 2mm gap being the inside tube is 1 inch diameter... I have used corona dope on the inside of the inside tube and outside of the outside tube, and have used sandpaper on the contact surfaces in a tentative to clear it well and raise a bit the contact area...


however thinking about i found that the corona dope will probably not be enough as it has a very low dielectric value, and is very thin coating, even if i applied many layers and dried on fire... delrin to support the voltage stress would need to be some mm thick so i think the corona will help very little if so. 
no problem 

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Re: Dan Danforth replication of Stan Meyer's work, after a meeting with Stan.
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2010, 10:48:19 am »
Yes the vic doubles the frequency as i predicted, however i didn't got the unipolar pulses yet and i need to figure out why... in the water there is ac and i see the bubbles coming out from it...


I'm using water for battery (deionized) and its cold


later when i get back i will make some more tests...


I used only two diodes until now (i also used 1 diode in series with the primary between it and the mosfet...) ... and i found that many more bubles come out when i don't use the secondary... also this way the waveform on the scope is = for the back emf pulse and the pulse...


Now i need to figure the unipolar thing and the ultra short pulse... I'm thinking that maybe if i pulse with 99% duty cycle... maybe


I will try also geting an iron rod as maybe the problem is the saturation on my toroidal ferrite....




Other problem i see is that my oscope is very bad it don't see dc....

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Re: Dan Danforth replication of Stan Meyer's work, after a meeting with Stan.
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2012, 11:24:27 am »
MOLECULAR DISSOCIATION OF WATER  A PROJECT FOR THE EXPERIMENTER BY DAN DANFORTH 

In. the original setup that Stan Meyer showed us, he used 36 volts as the basic potential applied to the reaction chamber. He also commented that stainless steel ( 410 not 403 ) was the only metal that could be used as oxides formed with all others. His original chamber used 18 inch long by 0.375 inch diameter (o.d.) rod surrounded by 1 inch diameter (i.d.) 16 inch long pipe. The reason for the difference in length is for mechanical ease of construction. My prototype used 14 inch long rod and 12 inch long pipe of similar diameters as the drawing indicates.   Having a severe lack of parts diversity here in Sri-Lanka, I was only able to obtain a 24 volt. 8 amp transformer and built my circuitry around that. The final output is 20 volts with Ml reading 10 amps to the pulsing circuit which generates a symetricel squarewave ( 50% duty cycle ) to the flyback inductor connected in series with the chamber as the schematic shows. The flyback high voltage spike is directed across the chamber via c* end d*. The use of a high voltage spike alone, without the current being delivered through the liquid, will not cause the disassociation to take place. This I verified using an ignition coil in place of the inductor and applied the secondary with halfwave rectification and blocking capacitor to prevent burn out to the chamber with no results. Apparently the current in the water aligns the molecules approprately to allow the high voltege spike to do its workr which in my opinion is the stimulation of molecular resonance. Once Stan's unit was made to begin breakdown (which takes 6 to 8 seconds) he was able to reduce both current and voltage to miniscule proportions. I attribute this to sympathetic oscillation of the aligned molecules, requiring very little in the way of additional excitation. A phenomena akin to Tesla `s super resonance... resulting in Stan discovering that he only had to supply three pulses in ten to satisfy the requirement of the chamber. I have not yet had the opportunity to duplicate this portion of the experiment but, in time I vill.   Duplication of the device described in these pages, however, will produce the phenomena and hopefully launch other enterprising end inventive souls on to designing their own refined models. It would be nice to have feedback so that we can all collectively work to bring about the transition to non-pollution energy.   P.S.- Tho electrical circuit is by no means optinised, but represents instead the result of parts availability here. Any good technician could improve on it quite readily.   There are two primary frequencies that produce the best results. They are. 14372 Hz and 43430 Hz. The former is about 50% more efficient, but it seems that just about any frequency between 9 KHz and 143762 KHz works quite well. 1) This is because the nature of the wave form ( a spike ) is rich in harmonics and one of them is bound to be close to one of the two primary frequencies.   Use of permanent magnets may also increase efficiency. I'll give you the outcome of that attempt in my next letter along with the plans for what I hope to be a much improved version.   Note: Sub-harmonics of the two primary frequencies at which dissociation will occur:
43430 Hz             143762 HZ  SUBHARMONIC          SUBHABMONIC  1st 21715    HZ      1st 71881    HZ  2nd 14476.67 HZ      2nd 47920.67 HZ  3rd 15517.5  HZ      3rd 35840.1  HZ  4th 8686     Hz      4th 28752.4  HZ    *1500 VOLTS IS THE MINIMUM REQUIRED FOR MOLECULAR RINGING TO BEGIN.   The ball is now in your court.   Let's get the game started and have as many players as possible.   From the legal stand point it can be argued in an international court of law that the vital need of this technology by every nation to aleviate the critical threat to our environment globally is so greet as to justify nullification of proprietry rights if those rights are used to delay or prevent distribution of the technology and if such delay or prevention - including measured and / or levied distribution so as to restrict or limit its use, or for the purposes of financial profit isolate significent economic groups from its use and if such acts previously mentioned can be shown to cause an increased danger to life, persons involved in such acts can be convicted of intent to do bodily harm by crime of omission.   (ANY MATERIAL SENT TO `TUNING IN' WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE ABOVE WRITER.)   Back to the Mad Scientist's Lair   
 
 
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I went to Meyer's lab 3 times from 1986 on.
I know I'm late for the party but I've been posting here mostly:
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=733
I had a long history with Meyer as you can read starting in post #43 here.
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=650&page=3

Here ARE originals of the Danforth site docs which included the sketch.
The paper looks like it can from Danforth here:
http://amasci.com/freenrg/seaback.html
These two were posted on a website back in the late 90s and disappeared after a few years.
I had them saved so here you are.
Also is a reversal done by Jim Miller that may help in reading the components.

Cheers,
JP


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Re: Dan Danforth replication of Stan Meyer's work, after a meeting with Stan.
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2012, 16:02:47 pm »
Hi JP, good to see you here aswell :)
Here's hoping for the best for the demo cell  ;)

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Re: Dan Danforth replication of Stan Meyer's work, after a meeting with Stan.
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2012, 16:08:11 pm »
Guys i discovered meyer secret.
Its all about charging the inductor with one frequency and discharge with other.


Example


1 joule = 1 watt / second


If you charge the inductor with one watt in one second and than discharge this inductor in 1 nano second you are creating a 1 Giga joule discharge.


The secret is the collapse of the field as i explained in the last post.


again
The pulse that charge the transformer is at one frequency but have a 99,99% duty cycle... thus the discharge occurs in 0,01% of the period thus it is about 10000 times smaller...


than voltage perform work


I will end here and let you take your conclusions.
Hi Sebosfato,

This is what I also think is part of the answer to how Meyer's WFC works, good to see that I'm not alone
in this.
I believe the voltage would rise to hilarious levels during the collapse of the EMF, to the point of it being
able to create a spark in a spark plug.
Keep up the good work :)

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Re: Dan Danforth replication of Stan Meyer's work, after a meeting with Stan.
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2012, 22:15:30 pm »
Guys i discovered meyer secret.
Its all about charging the inductor with one frequency and discharge with other.


Example


1 joule = 1 watt / second


If you charge the inductor with one watt in one second and than discharge this inductor in 1 nano second you are creating a 1 Giga joule discharge.


The secret is the collapse of the field as i explained in the last post.


again
The pulse that charge the transformer is at one frequency but have a 99,99% duty cycle... thus the discharge occurs in 0,01% of the period thus it is about 10000 times smaller...


than voltage perform work


I will end here and let you take your conclusions.
Hi Sebosfato,

This is what I also think is part of the answer to how Meyer's WFC works, good to see that I'm not alone
in this.
I believe the voltage would rise to hilarious levels during the collapse of the EMF, to the point of it being
able to create a spark in a spark plug.
Keep up the good work :)

The attached Greneau paper is one on which Stan says his work was based.
The explosions in water are basically what he was trying to do with the injectors.

Cheers,
JP


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Re: Dan Danforth replication of Stan Meyer's work, after a meeting with Stan.
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2012, 22:59:31 pm »
Guys i discovered meyer secret.
Its all about charging the inductor with one frequency and discharge with other.


Example


1 joule = 1 watt / second


If you charge the inductor with one watt in one second and than discharge this inductor in 1 nano second you are creating a 1 Giga joule discharge.


The secret is the collapse of the field as i explained in the last post.


again
The pulse that charge the transformer is at one frequency but have a 99,99% duty cycle... thus the discharge occurs in 0,01% of the period thus it is about 10000 times smaller...


than voltage perform work


I will end here and let you take your conclusions.
Hi Sebosfato,

This is what I also think is part of the answer to how Meyer's WFC works, good to see that I'm not alone
in this.
I believe the voltage would rise to hilarious levels during the collapse of the EMF, to the point of it being
able to create a spark in a spark plug.
Keep up the good work :)

The attached Greneau paper is one on which Stan says his work was based.
The explosions in water are basically what he was trying to do with the injectors.

Cheers,
JP
Awesome JP, thanks!!

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Re: Dan Danforth replication of Stan Meyer's work, after a meeting with Stan.
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2012, 04:38:36 am »
Aways good to see this kind of good feeling!

soon i will post my conclusions from my experiments... can be really nice....

i found some things that were missing to complete those theories and put to work... soon i will come up with some good new i hope...