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« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2010, 18:06:31 pm »
notice your mistake seb.. 1 amp is inacurate because you not accounting for the 2 extra volts being superimpsed onto the 12 volt battery!!:)  that 2 volts raised the amperage of the 12 volt 1 amp by .1662 amps! (volts out power resistance raising amps as volts go up in ANY material conducting)
man i feel like i gain the key to the universe lol
i can see the ratio for acceleration of signal in a medium now..

we must learn drift velocities of electrons.. we must refraim from the example of amps in reference to how may electrons pass a given point to how fast they travel in a medium under different potentials.. need to know how long the travel from a to b is in the cell gap..


Yes you are right! the resistance would not change...=) Yes they accelerate but mainly on conductive materials there are so many of them that they move very slow. There is a mit lecture about this on you tube electricity and magnetism...   


We should be able to calculate yes the mobility of the ions in water too. Tonight i'm going to the university to consult a teacher specialized in atomic physics...





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« Reply #89 on: August 31, 2010, 18:16:20 pm »
Here is food for your brain, Fabio.
 
Hope you like it.
 
As you can see, is the second battery, or capacitor, charged with the EEC...
So, every new pulse is done with a higher voltage on the primary coil...
Meaning, the wfc gets a higher shot and the EEC delivers more volts to the cap/battery.
So, it is step charging............
 
 
Steve


This is the spirit but i'm not sure if will work exactly like that.
Did you tried it already?




Today i think that i understood the alternator operation. You will give to the field coil the the pulses at the resonant frequency, and than it will charge the water and make the current to pass... Being the field coil alternating current and the other coils direct current coming from the ions the alternator should almost self run. the alternator speed will not change the resonant frequency but i guess there might be an optimum rpm.
I will buy an analogue voltage reducer for my motor and finish to assembly it now.


The adjustable coil is just needed on the other two circuits connected to the other windings of the alternator, because as it is phase locked with one resonating circuit, he than need to fine tune the other two...


After the alternator i'm gonna use a 30amps 5mh bifilar coil  witch will be my resonant coil. It will be connected just like stan show on the electron extraction circuit.  But being the resonant chokes = to this coil (the secondary will be the alternator)
 




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« Reply #90 on: August 31, 2010, 18:19:19 pm »
Try this one...
 
12v at 100amps/hour
in serie with
2V  at 100amp / second
 
=
14V at 100amp/sec ??
 
 
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« Reply #91 on: August 31, 2010, 18:44:13 pm »
negative steve..

you cant compare time with batteries in series... doesnt make sense we are not viewing consumption we are viewing available potential at a given moment

12v @ 100 amp
2v @ 100 amp

we must know the siemens!!

100amp/12v= 8.333
100amp/ 2v =50
 we take the highest resistance which is the lower siemens (8.333) and times it by the new potential in series

14vx 8.333= 116.662 amps!
14v @116.662 amps

the reason we choose the lower value siemens is because it has the highest resistance..

which sounds more resistive?
a gain of 8.3 amps per volt in a given material or
50 amps per volt?
 
its obvious a material that gains less amps per volt is more resistive..


now lets reverse the idea of resistance between the 2 batteries

a 12v 100 amp in series with a 2 v 1amp

this in series provides the following equation

100amp/12v = 8.333 amps per volt.
1amp /2v = .5

now we have a battery that es really weak and one semi powerfull in series

the difference is in the first example steve gave the higher potiental (12v) battery was that battery of most resistance which gave us the numbers to go by.. (14v x .0833siemens) gave us 1.1662 amps

this way we have a high power forcing 12 extra volts to flow through its resistance.. this i would think would over load the material of the battery to the point of burning up..  if the smaller batter could handle the current then it would be the following

you would take the simen of least value which represents the value with the  smalled vaule of amps per given volt..

it is .5 siemens for the 2 volt 1 amp battery..

14v series x .5 simens =7amps..

so the small lower power battery should try to maintain around 7 amps until a it burns up or B it can handle the load which may be simple a construction parameter to achive
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Re: ALTERNATOR
« Reply #92 on: August 31, 2010, 19:38:52 pm »
Try this one...
 
12v at 100amps/hour
in serie with
2V  at 100amp / second
 
=
14V at 100amp/sec ??
 
 
Steve
there is no unit of current per time.
12V with a charge of 100Ah and 2V with 100As would be 14V at 100A for 1s. After that 12-14V with <100Ah or even less, because the 2V battery will be charged probably.

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« Reply #93 on: August 31, 2010, 20:09:24 pm »
thanks....
Now i am depressed... ;D
 
How would you people re-use the charge gained from the wfc?
 
 

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« Reply #94 on: September 01, 2010, 05:36:21 am »
it is clear that amps measure the quantity of electrons passing a given point.. 
we need to learn more about electrical current induced by perpetuation.. stan says in his videos thatr there is a self pumping action that occurs in the cell and for that reason they will remain clean..  amps are flowing 90 degrees out because the charge is not leaving the tubes (more conductive) with a high ring.. the sharp rise time creates the 90 out of phase because it the potental is shoot toward the end of the tube then leaking into water if potential persist (not terminated)..

the key to the electron extraction circuit is knowing its real job.. it was creates to switch the high potential of negative voltage into light.. another form of energy!.. he did this like sebs say but no coil just the resistance of light and resistors from what i understand he would switch the from igbt positive collector (extraction conductor tube) back to secondary...  this speeds up the fracturing of water by maintaining instabliity of the water even on the off stage of voltage pulse..  so he would create power from ions to maintain the imbalance.. this is efficency! you could say you are attacking water with 2 prosses that create 100 percent duty.. the lights also provide and maintain resistance..  the same time gives you the ability to consume electrons which higher the energy of water further then standard water polarization process.. so all in all it may not be a more efficent process from the transformer aspect but its gas energy state results make up for it?

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« Reply #95 on: September 03, 2010, 17:06:04 pm »
what do you think of this seb

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