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Re: ALTERNATOR
« Reply #128 on: September 12, 2010, 23:49:52 pm »
Usually output impedances should be low, less than a tenth of the load impedance connected to the output. If an output impedance is too high it will be unable to supply a sufficiently strong signal to the load because most of the signal's voltage will be 'lost' inside the circuit driving current through the output impedance ZOUT. The load could be a single component or the input impedance of another circuit.   
   
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  • Low output impedance, ZOUT << ZLOAD
    Most of VSOURCE appears across the load, very little voltage is 'lost' driving the output current through the output impedance. Usually this is the best arrangement.
     
  • Matched impedances, ZOUT = ZLOAD
    Half of VSOURCE appears across the load, the other half is 'lost' driving the output current through the output impedance. This arrangement is useful in some situations (such as an amplifier driving a loudspeaker) because it delivers maximum power to the load. Note that an equal amount of power is wasted driving the output current through ZOUT, an efficiency of 50%.
     
  • High output impedance, ZOUT >> ZLOAD
    Only a small portion of appears across the load, most is 'lost' driving the output current through the output impedance. This arrangement is unsatisfactory.
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    This web site is very good, it have lot of info on electronics... from logic gates to power suplies ...
     
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    Re: ALTERNATOR
    « Reply #129 on: September 13, 2010, 01:04:52 am »
    sO BASICALY
     
    Inductor
     
    current lags voltage or
    voltage leads current because
    WHen a voltage is applied to an inductor, it will readly start to drop while the current will start to flow acelerating electrons in "speed" toward the positive... and when voltage reach the 0 the current reach the maximun speed and than by the back emf created, it reverses its direction and start to accelerate in the reversed direction...
     
    if you apply voltage to an inductor it will make the electrons flow thru its wire and this movement create a magnetic field on the inductor witch is oposed by the permeability of the free space and + that of the core... is mutch like inertia... thus creating bemf. 
    Like a spring geting compressed full of energy than liberating this energy...
     
    A capacitor instead
     
    Have current leading the voltage, because the voltage in a capacitor will be the result of the accumulation of charges so it need to accumulate before you have a voltage... ~so current leads voltage...
     
    Is good to remember that voltage is not movement but potential, and current is movement and not potential...
     
    So when all the potential is given to a body it will have its max speed and when this body climbs up the capacitor mountain it will have its potential back.
     
     
    So when voltage is applied to a capacitor current start to deaccelerate until it reach the min while voltage reached the maximun...
     
    In the inductor current start to accelerate until max speed is reached and just like a spring reverses the direction and start accelerating again in the other direction....
     
     
    This make me think that meyer maybe was using the vic as a mean of apply voltage to the water ions while not allowing the water to charge than this current that were to start charging the capacitor is redirected to it some how... (probably at 90° phase)
     
    or something like that
     
    What do you think about?

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    Re: ALTERNATOR
    « Reply #130 on: September 14, 2010, 06:45:32 am »
    I think i have already said this, but have you thought that the alternator was used to modify the frequeny over some unapparent magical force??? the electric motor was used to adjust the RPM of the Alternator to the desired output. Low voltage and amps meant little power was needed but he simply adjusted the primary on the alternator with a gated signal. Or if you like,
    Gated input --- Signal alternator (first frequency) --- Frequency alternator (second frequency) --- Cell. This would line up with Phuriac's work, also why he only needed a small amount of voltage (1.2V per mm gap i would say). If this is true then neither of them birthed this technology simply the method.

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    Re: ALTERNATOR
    « Reply #131 on: September 14, 2010, 07:50:13 am »
    ewok i like your idea.. the alternator provides a nice 50 percent duty on it own.. why not use its frequencys to drive resonance! then gate! i wounder if stan was able to vary the rpm continuely to maintain resonance? like the driving motor is speeding up and slowing down determined by a pll circuit that is detecting resonance?

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    « Reply #132 on: September 14, 2010, 07:56:34 am »
    You wait for the idea of self tuning of the first alternator using the conductivity of the water in the cell...

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    « Reply #133 on: September 14, 2010, 08:50:30 am »
    bam like a bolt of lightning.. light bulb is lit on top of head...

    genius!!! so simple it might just work ewok!

    can you explain your approach to the task.. you adding salt slowly to a cell containing distilled water??

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    « Reply #134 on: September 14, 2010, 09:13:29 am »
    If your using frequency to split the water then you will need a voltage range, being that salt water and distilled water will require different voltages in order to split. For a basic start a small gap (work with the same gap as the cell/s) then connect a static generator, the voltage will rise until it can travel through the gap, use the tail end of the connection at the signal wire to adjust input voltage (or ampere depending on wiring)

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    Re: ALTERNATOR
    « Reply #135 on: September 14, 2010, 11:30:35 am »
    Hello guys
     
    i didn´t understood very well what you saying...could you explain me better?
     
    I tryed pulsing the field coil, however the frequency coming out is only dependent on the rpm
     
     
    Do you guys now about the thane hein bitoroidal transformer?
    He claim to be able to create energy by magnetizing a core and inducing this magnetism to another core for being able to use the energy whithout leting the back emf goes back into the primary thus primary have 0 power factor and thus almost 0 power loss...
     
     
     
    What i´m saying about retarding the pulse of the secondary or to start its conduction only after 90° could acomplish that couldn´t it?
     
    Think like this you pulse the primary, doing this you magnetize the core, if you have a shorted secondary you will have a very low inductance on the primary and thus you will have high amp consuming... However if you wait until the magnetic field become max or 90° later, you should be able to discharge the magnetic field without making the circuit hungry for amps...
     
    what you think about this?
     
     
     
    And
     
    I worked all night long on a schematic for the electron extraction circuit and i came up with something that will actually double the frequency as stan said and at the same time would allow the ions to discharge extracting the electrons from the oh- ions and in a separate circuit ( wiper arm coil) give electrons to the H+ ions... without discharge the water...
     
    It would need the coil to be bifilar because you will discharge the magnetic field of one coil into the other;.;
     
    and would restrict amps because the current will flow in oposite directions on the coils...
     
    it would than need 2 or 3 diodes or 2 diodes and one igbt or tiristor i´m not sure...
     
    I started by analising what happen during the pulse and during the of pulse with the voltage on theh coils...
     
     
     
    I also figured that stan gave us the impedance calculation for us to be able to design the transformer for driving the coils and water;;
     
    example
     
    water 78ohms + 2 coils maybe 4 ohms + secondary maybe 10 ohms
     
    than you have the impedance so you can chose the primary and secondary inductances of the transformer because you already knows the resonant frequency because you already know the capacitance and inductance.... 
     
    So lets say you have a 100 ohm load
     you design the transformer for this load ar its particular frequerncy
     
    There is not a fit to all frequencyes transformer;;;;
     
    it must be espetialy designed for it to work
     
    Howver the idea is simple (forget the 90° stuff for now)
     
    you apply the pulse to the cell thru the diode and the 1 coil.
     
    when the pulse is of the coil will reverse polarity and the side close to the diode will become positive, there goes a igbt, witch is connected to the negative side of the cell
     
    the negative side of the secondary is connected straight to the negative side of the cell
     
    and also connected to the same negative side of the cell goes the other bifilar coil
     
    The other side of this bif coil witch is coupled to the 1 one; is connected to another diode and than to the positive side of the cell... This would allow to have aN aways positive voltage applied to the cell...
     
    BAsically the cell will have the exact púlse stan shown...
     
    here is the drawing
     
    the bif coils should cancel each other field
     
    notice the polarity
     
    red ones are the polarity during on pulse
     
    and blue off pulse