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Re: ALTERNATOR
« Reply #120 on: September 10, 2010, 21:37:54 pm »
Important things:
 
The impedance of the water charging circuit must be high.
 
The impedance of the ions discharging ciruit must be low.
 
The frequency must double. as water will see a kind of full wave rectied current. being one of the pulses generated by the ions discharge...
 
I believe there are many ways of achieving the effect but stan tried to cover all them...
 
The best i belive is this to consume the ions energy to further increase voltage separation... and so on...
 
The restric current coil or amp inibhiting coil i thought of a coil witch will share both the currents going in oposite directions so closing the circuit but not allowing the electrons influx and also not allow the water to discharge;... 
 
But this implie a center tap on the coils;;; or something else that i didn´t imagined yet.
 

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« Reply #121 on: September 11, 2010, 02:25:01 am »
Hello guys i today tested full wave bridge rectifier on the alternator and got 16volts (dc on the field coil) on my cell just few bubles, its filtered water with some rain water.
 
I discovered that my cell to maintain 12 v i need 200ma, with this values i will try to make some calculation. try to find the right ratio.. i don´´t know yet...
 
I tried the schematics i thought of and didn´t succed yet. However there were more bubles than with 16v ... but i´m not sure maybe the water is not enought ionized... maybe voltage is not enought...
 
So i will make this thing get power!!! i will make it the solid state way with the vic transformer ( i think will be easier) and the right principle... and than i will power it wiith 220v
 
I think that i will give my circuit a nice box and buy the transformers for the isolated power suplies... i need to think everything... (i´m feeding it with my notebook ac adaptors)
 
I believe that possibly my alternator is not being driven fast enough and i´m thinking that i don´t know how to make the alternator output become high impedance high voltage as i want, without further modifications..
 
 i know how to do it with the vic and i saw in a store that is spetialized in transformers here they have C cores E cores ... with the coil formers so i will just get one of this.
 
 
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« Reply #122 on: September 11, 2010, 03:57:31 am »
just figured this 12v divided by 0,2 amps = 60ohms
 
now i just puted some calculations and let the secondary be 60ohms if the primary is 6ohm i have about 3 of transformation factor... just what stan said. 12v 2 amps...
 
I think that if water reach more than 50 volts it will start to self ionize more and discharge on the primary creating a resonant charging effect that will take voltages up to kilovolts...
 
Notice that the primary being 6ohms while water is 60ohm... if water have 100 volts and discharge thru the 6ohm impedance and have a certain capacitance lets say 1,5 nf we will have a time that it will discharge... but initially would be a discharge of 100v divided by 6 ohm thus 18amps ... this being applied on the primary witch will induce this energy as voltage ... something like that
 
if the water was more pure i would have more ohms thus i could have greater voltage transformation ratios.
 
i thought like this the primary could be the path of discharge of the water... mutch like a RC oscilation... the secondary and charging choke, charges the water and the primary discharges it...
 
I will try it right now. with a toroidal transformer i have here already...
 

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« Reply #123 on: September 11, 2010, 18:42:54 pm »
Hello i just figure out something:
 
I said that my water was 60ohm righ
 
I calculated the capacitance to be around 1,5 nf so to charge it up to 12v should be only needed 18 nano coulombs witch is the same as 18 nano amps applied for 1 second...
 
This mean that my water here is way too much conductive...
 
I was thinking about the 200 ma / 18 nano ampere  is almost 10.000.000 times more conductive than is able to retain charge...
 
This mean that if i have a period of 1 ms i would need to apply 18 micro amp to charge up the water up to 12v but i would still have 200ua passing as a power lost
 
i hope you start understanding the impedance relation ;
 
I have just bought some demineralized water and i´m going to perform some test now...  if is not enought monday i will buy some bi distiled water.
 
I believe that this is one of the keys
 
than other important thing is to heat up the water to aid self ionization... maybe add laser energy too...
 
 
If all this don´t work i will try using another couple of electrodes (honey comb like) inside the tubes to act as the electron extraction grid stan mention...
 
many ideas
 
 

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« Reply #124 on: September 11, 2010, 23:59:03 pm »
I discovered today that hot water will conduct 3 times more.


the water from the rain i had was the best one but i have no more...




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« Reply #125 on: September 12, 2010, 19:36:37 pm »

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« Reply #126 on: September 12, 2010, 22:23:49 pm »
Guys i just figured out how the circuit should be if i would like to trigger the EEC just before current start to flow in the inductor (vic).
 
I basically divide the frequency signal from the pll pin 4 by 2 using a 4017 ic and than combine this 2 diferent signals into a nor gate (4001) witch will create a third positive signal when the 2 signals happen to be both 0 logic. Having the vic the ability to double the frequency, its feedback will need no dividing to close the pll circuit...
 
This will allow me to have a pulse exactly after 90° from the first pulse trigering the vic because the 4429 driver i´m using inverts the signal... other wise i would need to use an and gate instead of a nor gate to have (theoreticaly) the right signal. (also the signal coming from the nor gate must pass thru a optocoupler and again the 4429 as to remain uninverted) as from the drawing
 
 
Don´t complain about the drawings, if is not good enough for you to understand, try drawing it yourself... If you still don´t understand, read the datasheets or google logic gates...
 
 
For the optocoupler part;
 
Must have its own isolated power supply
Regulator 7808 (doing good here) 8v
than
in series with the laser diode a 500ohm resistor (this must beconnected to the nor gate circuit grownd and output )
 
Than the emiter of the opto must go to the isolated grownd such as the 4429 grownd too
 
the colector from the opto should go to the pin 2 of the 4429 and from the same pin 2 should go a 1 or 2 kohm resistor to the isolated positive
 
Basically only the diode of the optocoupler should be connected to the first circuit
 
When the puse go to the optocoupler it will short the pin 2 from the 4429 to the ground making it to start conducting...
 
i´m going to build this circuit today for doing some tests
 
 
 
 
 
I´m trying to understand
 
Are you?
 
i Would not like to talk alone.
 
 

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Re: ALTERNATOR
« Reply #127 on: September 12, 2010, 22:51:40 pm »
Now
 
here the circuit Wave forms:
 
 
i´m making a study of the current lagging voltage graphics too, for me to understand better this phenomenom ...