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RF waves and UV waves improve electrolysis proces
« on: July 24, 2010, 13:21:32 pm »
How to make HHO cells more efficient.


Its all about increasing the options for the ions and electrons to collide. Besides the electrode space , electrode material, electrode size and type of electrolyte there are more options:

1. Use of RF radiation.
2. Use of Ultra Violet / infrared waves.

Its known as radiolysis. How to implement such a system in our waterfuelcells? The early radio transmitters used a sparkgap for creating radiowaves. We also know that water absorbs waves in the Ultra Violet spectrum. We are lucky. Spark gaps do transmitte radio waves and UV waves!
Now we need to design a cell that is doing basic electrolysis and is using sparks at the same time. It might be even needed to use a 50% duty cycle on both systems, so they don’t interfere with each other.
Meaning: first 50% duty dc on the electrodes and in the off time we create sparks.

The cell can look like this.
 
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Re: RF waves and UV waves improve electrolysis proces
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2010, 13:45:55 pm »
http://home.wtal.de/herbs_teslapage/safety.html
 
The sparkgap produces hard ultraviolet radiation when running just like an arc welder. Avoid looking into the arcs produced by your sparkgap, and if you want to do, use shields for your eyes.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_gap
 
 
 

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Re: RF waves and UV waves improve electrolysis proces
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2010, 15:10:18 pm »
How about just using a sparkplug and an ignition coil?
 
 
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Re: RF waves and UV waves improve electrolysis proces
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2010, 00:49:23 am »
New version.
I made a mistake with the glas innertube. Glas doesnt let UV thru....argggggg
Need help here!
Does anybody know a tube of plate material that lets UV thru from ~125nm????????

 
 http://www.btinternet.com/~martin.chaplin/vibrat.html
 
 Absorption of UV close-by (~125 nm), excites the 3a1 orbital leading to dissociation into OH + H (photodissociation; higher energy absorption produces charged fragments [1299]). Such dissociation can also be achieved by consecutive absorption of two 266 nm photons [589]. Absorption of two higher energy photons, at 200 nm, gives rise to a hydrated electron by H2O + h? " src="http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/images/reg.gif" width=22 height=10> H2O+ + e-aq
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Re: RF waves and UV waves improve electrolysis proces
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2010, 05:45:37 am »
I think its a wonderful idea , if we can control the freq of this too it would be good for testing .

So we need fast collapse with big inductor to make this efficient , we need high voltage correct ?

1 thing I see hard , shape of cell .

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2010, 10:10:57 am »
I think its a wonderful idea , if we can control the freq of this too it would be good for testing .

So we need fast collapse with big inductor to make this efficient , we need high voltage correct ?

1 thing I see hard , shape of cell .

Dankie,
Any sparking device should have some influence....
 
Like: http://wiki.4hv.org/index.php/Flyback
 
or
 
http://www.powerlabs.org/flybackdriver.htm
 
 
I suspect Daniel Dingle of doing a similar thing. There was found a second ignitioncoil in his setup.
 
We can also use your circuit and drive an ignitioncoil. Depending on the voltage applied to the coil, we have to adjust the sparkgap.
If we use sparkplugs as sparkgap, then we can have a very simple but working setup, is it.
 
Now: I NEED A MATERIAL THAT WE CAN USE A PLATE OR TUBE WHICH LET UV THRU FROM ABOUT 125NM.......
Anybody any ideas?
 
 
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2010, 11:43:39 am »
Found some material that comes very close:
 
http://www.escoproducts.com/html/s1-uv_fused_silica.html
 
from 180nm it is transmitting UVC thru.
 
A sheet of this glass from like 4 inch by 4 inch by 1mm costs like 230 dollars........
Can anybody donate me some money for this experiment????????
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: RF waves and UV waves improve electrolysis proces
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2010, 12:17:56 pm »
ACRYLITE OP-1
 
Spectrosil® Quartz    170 through 2700 nm

 
PMMA   285nm to 750nm
 
 

 
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