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Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2010, 09:51:20 am »
I tried to tell you guys before that this is the real deal but I was butchered.  I have been studying this HHO approach ever since which is why I had to temporarily abandon my own project here.  It’s the bird in the hand reasoning/logic.
 
I am lacking certain details to complete my prototype “6” series replication which is why I can not offer or announce a successful replication at this time.
 
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What kind of details are you missing, Mina?
Lets see if we can replicate this FF setup.

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Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
« Reply #57 on: October 22, 2010, 18:47:30 pm »
"Wow, took a long time to make a reply and post and it came up blank. Try it again."
 
 
 
Here are links to the various Freddy sites and pages:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Hydrogen_Hog_by_Future_Energy_Concepts%2C_Inc.
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/WaterFuel/FreedomReclamationProject/
http://groups.yahoo.com/adultconf?dest=%2Fgroup%2FFreddys_Cell%2F
http://www.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/
http://groups.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/
There all linked together some way but this is a great start.
 

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Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2010, 18:48:09 pm »
Most of the parts will be somewhere here and if there is anything else missing I could help and it would be good to speak about certain methods of build.
May I suggest its probably quicker and cheaper to make a basic test as Freddy did in one of the video's linked.
 
What I wrote about in the post that got lost was I stressed the tubes tuning. This is something that has been missed by us. There are mathematic computations in the design to make a cell-system work the way it should as Freddy is putting out in front of us as a gift.
This stuff is totally relateable to Meyer whether you see it or not.
The frequency of the tubes are selected not just on the chime/ring fundamentals but the harmonics. Some harmonics are actually more promenant than the fundamentals.
It was devised in such a fashion as to create the acousto-mechanical resonant effect.
Another strong point is the tubes are 180 degree's out of phase of each other, which aids in the vibrational effect.
So much work was put into the mathematics, included I believe the doppler effect among much more vibrational/sound computations.
Also pay attention to the carriage bolt in the center tube as its obvious this may slightly aid to the effect, somewhat as a slight deflection.
 
Seamless has the chime/ring to it thats needed to allow the signals/frequencys to propogate.
Testing pipes here seamless verses seamed and its a huge difference in acoustic quality.
The system won't work unless you pay attention to these details.
 
Seamless 316L 6"x1"x.035"wall.
Seamless 316L 7"x3/4"x.065"wall. 
Carriage bolt for center of 3/4" tube has domed top.

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« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2010, 21:42:15 pm »
Most of the parts will be somewhere here and if there is anything else missing I could help and it would be good to speak about certain methods of build.
May I suggest its probably quicker and cheaper to make a basic test as Freddy did in one of the video's linked.
 
What I wrote about in the post that got lost was I stressed the tubes tuning. This is something that has been missed by us. There are mathematic computations in the design to make a cell-system work the way it should as Freddy is putting out in front of us as a gift.
This stuff is totally relateable to Meyer whether you see it or not.
The frequency of the tubes are selected not just on the chime/ring fundamentals but the harmonics. Some harmonics are actually more promenant than the fundamentals.
It was devised in such a fashion as to create the acousto-mechanical resonant effect.
Another strong point is the tubes are 180 degree's out of phase of each other, which aids in the vibrational effect.
So much work was put into the mathematics, included I believe the doppler effect among much more vibrational/sound computations.
Also pay attention to the carriage bolt in the center tube as its obvious this may slightly aid to the effect, somewhat as a slight deflection.
 
Seamless has the chime/ring to it thats needed to allow the signals/frequencys to propogate.
Testing pipes here seamless verses seamed and its a huge difference in acoustic quality.
The system won't work unless you pay attention to these details.
 
Seamless 316L 6"x1"x.035"wall.
Seamless 316L 7"x3/4"x.065"wall. 
Carriage bolt for center of 3/4" tube has domed top.

Hi Komtek,

Thank you for posting all this info.
You wrote that the inner and outer tube are 180 degree out of phase.
What does that mean? I thought FF tuned both tubes to the same frequency.

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Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
« Reply #60 on: October 22, 2010, 21:58:09 pm »
For the possible replicators in europe, here are the dimensions in metric mm.

Outertube:
Length                                     :  152,4 mm (6 inches)
Outer diameter                        :    25,4 mm (1 inche)
Wall thickness                          :      0,9 mm ( .035 inche)

Innertube                                :  177,8 mm (7 inches)
Outer diameter                        :    19,1 mm (3/4 inche)
Wall thickness                         :      1,7 mm (.065 inche)

technical grade: ASTM A213 or ASME SA-213   (316 seamless?)


The top of the tubes are cut in an angle.
The bottum plug or bolt in the innertube must have a bolt surface, pointing into the innertube.

Ok, then you have to put a welder on the tubes to set the internal magnetic fields of both tubes in the same direction.

Tuning is done with help of an musik instrument tuner or a PC.
Hang the tube up and hit it with a stick of wood.
The outertube is 1 octave lower........??????? I could not hear good what FF said on this.
He tested the innertube and got a 193.5hz. So ill gues he needs a 96.7hz for the outertube.

The innertube dictates the frequency of this all. You tune at the end the pwm on the frequency of the innertube.

The innertube = negative
The outertube = positive

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Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
« Reply #61 on: October 22, 2010, 22:03:11 pm »
Yes the tubes have the same frequencys in them but are not the same frequency. (thats what my ear hears, but I only did the 2 center tubes).
Thats a very interesting part of this.
The tubes are really 2 different frequencys that are relative in harmonic fundamentals. (I have not done these outer tubes yet).
 
You will see when you have these tubes and ping them.
It will be more enlightening to have a frequency or tone software program, that you can record and playback and get real time frequency/tone measurements.
NCH tone generator has a 14 day free trial and also does not cost much to license.
There are also small programs for digital cell phones that only cost a few dollars.

I believe I was also told that this is tuned to a 1/2wave.
Only thing that comes to mind is like a 1/2 wave RF.
Don't know much about this 1/2 wave sorry.
 
It does go to show that a major job was done on this tuning, more than meets the eye.
 
 

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Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
« Reply #62 on: October 23, 2010, 00:25:30 am »
Hi Komtek and Mina,

I added more info in my older post here above..

Lets make it complete!

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Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
« Reply #63 on: October 23, 2010, 03:37:20 am »
Steve the 1 octive lower is only the center pair of tubes.
 
The completed Proto 6 system is 9 pair of tubes around a center pair of tubes.
9 pair of tubes are 3/4" and 1" as we already talked about.
 
Center pair of tubes is a: 6"x2"x.065"wall and a 7"x1.75"x.065wall. These tubes have a small 1mm gap while the others have a 2mm gap I believe.
These center tubes are the 1 octive lower you mentioned.
 
The whole system is 10 pair of tubes, 9 around the 1.
Its built into a container and here the GE GXWH40L container is available at HomeDepot that Freddy used.
Before we go into the proto 6 build we should test the single pair for operation as Freddy has shown.
 
Then there is a PWM and as Freddy uses the MX068 available from ebay.
The PWM needs modifications to 14.7hz. Its not a hassle to do this. I think were talking about a cap and resistors and can be done with resistance change only if you want.
Any PWM with the ability to get to 14.7hz can work.
The good thing about the MX068 is it comes as a 55amp PWM. Has a frequency control and a Duty control.
Freddy also modified the mosfets, number 1 check for thermal paste on the mosfets. The PWM should be capable of in excess of 100amps at start to help the system pressure rise quickly. After that its adjusted to 55amp. I believe there is a on/off relay connected to a pressure sensor set at 60psi. Very simplistic system.
I know he uses a lot of current but this does not matter for what the system is capable of.
 
The system also has a second battery and a battery isolator. Alternator capable of working (charging) the automobile battery as well as the isolated battery, suggested is 200 amp alternator. Some valves. Valve to shut off petrol. Pressure relief set to 75psi. Air cleaner dryer. Connection to injector manifold. Water tank. Water level sensor and pump. A relay. Some #12 wire for shorted coils to help take the edge off the square wave. etc..
 
Before we go into the whole thing, lets test the single pair and tune it.
 
The single pair of tubes also gets small plastic set-screws threaded through the outer tube to space the inner tube and gap.
It appears the length of the inner tube may be adjusted slightly lower at the bottom than the outer tube sort of like a wave guide, before this is epoxied into a vessel container.
The preliminary testing and details have to be worked out.
It would be nice to see a reaction just like in the video.
Once that is done and working then personally I would complete the full build.
 
 
 
 
   
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