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Re: 6.5hp generator made ready for HHO
« Reply #64 on: September 08, 2010, 12:16:15 pm »
Hi Steve and Haithar
I have seen a video from the Anton people that is not public that shows it running for nearly 10 minutes and looks very convincing. i want to believe its real but the maths does not add up. The cell is no more efficient than any other I have seen or built myself and every experience i have had or witnessed fell well short of even being close to self running.
You need at least 150 watts per litre (normally about 170 watts) per minute and you need a lot more than that to generate 150 watts.
1. I agree that a short stroke engine is better (as per my last email)
2. i am curious Haithar if you did your 10cc of fuel test under full load as well
3. Some hydrocarbons can be consummed from the crankcase fumes
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Re: 6.5hp generator made ready for HHO
« Reply #65 on: September 08, 2010, 12:23:41 pm »
@Steve
If what they did was real it had nothing to do with their cell. It has everything to do with how they modified the motor.
Even if they picked up some carbon from crankcase fumes what they did if real is a breakthrough.
The only way with the last video I saw they could fake it was to put some hydrocarbons in the bubbler like a vapour carb (or geet)
The real test would be to measure the CO2 and hydrocarbons comming out the exhaust. This is how my associates test. remeber the water bike in NZ. That showed normal levels of CO2 and HC from the exhaust and he was busted.
However they run the Anton unit inside..you would not do that for long if it was producing Hc, CO2 and CO.
However I am just speculating.
I have a few megabytes of university tests with hydrogen and hydroxy where they have injected varing anounts into larger engines. I did a lot of this testing myself. Happy to share but not sure how that would help with these smaller engines
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Re: 6.5hp generator made ready for HHO
« Reply #66 on: September 08, 2010, 16:27:37 pm »
Yes but they also said that they didn't change pistons etc. at the beginning of their tests, only later.

Of course there's the option that everythings faked (not a scam), but after all the work put into this.. hm


@ the articles you posted. Well they are not really helpful. The first one explains why there are many better options for welding than hydrogen/oxygen. The second examines the energy contents of hydrogen/oxygen with known facts from chemistry, of course there is no extra energy to be found.


the only "hope" would be unknown effects of hydrogen/oxygen (probably nascent and probably in combination with some carbon molecules).

 
When they started, they didnt had a selfrunner.
Just after all the mods, they stated to have a selfrunner.
So, the question is: What did they exactly modify on the valves and cranktiming?
the first 50 second self-run video was done directly after the first run tests with load in april, it was very unstable and had to be adjusted manually to keep it running. then for fun they put the power supply onto the generator and tested, apparently it still run. (that's what i read on the forums afterwards)
they did mail to you more modifications and after that most likely the video from july was shot, in which the generator runs very stable and smooth at all times.


150Wmin per liter is certainly manageable as the commercial electrolyser units are using less energy. They stated themselves that when all current is used for electrolysis and the new Anton design uses 2V/cell they have a 1.23/2 = 61,5% efficient setup regarding energy. Steve's cell needs less then 150Wmin per liter if i remember correctly (thread is in this forum).




I didn't do any tests yet as the generator is still used in the next weeks.
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Re: 6.5hp generator made ready for HHO
« Reply #67 on: September 08, 2010, 18:57:12 pm »
The most important thing from my current tests with this generator is that his behaviour is EXACT the same as my grasmower from 1 year ago.
 
So, no surprises, no new things...just same HHO and a little ambient air.
Amounts are similar.
Now a bigger engine and a bigger wfc.
The only thing that bothers me is that my motorbike of 600CC and 4 cylinders made more revvs then my current generator of 200cc with much more HHO.
 
So, yes. Its something with the engine settings, Mark.
 
 
 

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« Reply #68 on: September 09, 2010, 00:27:24 am »

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« Reply #69 on: September 09, 2010, 00:29:04 am »
that worked
Just wondering what type of ioniser you are using
The ozone is usefull but very corrosive
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Re: 6.5hp generator made ready for HHO
« Reply #70 on: September 09, 2010, 01:18:17 am »
Then you had an ozone generator and not an ionizer, Mark...
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser

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Re: 6.5hp generator made ready for HHO
« Reply #71 on: September 09, 2010, 01:53:58 am »
I stand humbly corected and embarresed.
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